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Lawrie · 10-17-2023, 05:55 AM

I will post a pic of my 33 spare 99a engine and pulley tomorrow
Lawrie

deuce5wndw · 10-17-2023, 08:15 AM

Do you have a 4 cylinder rearend? I have read they are longer than the V8 rear.

Bob C · 10-17-2023, 10:13 AM

The parts book shows 4cyl drive shaft 58 7/16" 8cyl 60 5/32".

Mart · 10-17-2023, 01:28 PM

Of course, yes, 4 cyl driveshft is shorter to allow for the longer 4 cyl engine. I believe the rear mount is similar but fitted the other way around so the ears stick forward.

Lawrie · 10-18-2023, 01:53 AM

Here is the said crank and pulley.
I machined off the outside pulley from the twin pulley set unmade a nice thick washer, cut down the bolt and shortened the crankshaft to suit.
Lawrie

deuce5wndw · 10-20-2023, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob C

The parts book shows 4cyl drive shaft 58 7/16" 8cyl 60 5/32".

Well, that says something about my memory, doesn't it?

Bored&Stroked · 10-21-2023, 09:03 AM

Note: When I've done this, I've NOT had to shorten the crankshaft - I just cut the "U" off of the top of the spring bolt piece. I don't believe you'll need to shorten the crank if you do that and have the correct water pump spacers/mounts.

deuce lover · 10-22-2023, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by deuce5wndw

Well, that says something about my memory, doesn't it?

Memory is the second thing to go.

deuce5wndw · 10-23-2023, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by deuce lover

Memory is the second thing to go.

I resemble that remark!!!!

deuce lover · 10-23-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by deuce5wndw

I resemble that remark!!!!

I can't personally remember what the 1st to go is.

Bored&Stroked · 10-24-2023, 05:41 AM

When they're BOTH gone, nothing more to worry about! LOL

GRAZIOLI · 11-02-2023, 06:35 AM

Lawrie, Mart Thank you. Huge help with understanding I'm not out of my mind... :-) Thank you to everyone else as well. I hate when I get to a point like this, it saps the motivation when I have no idea how to deal with it.

Mart, Are you Mart from Mart garage? If so love your youtube. I gave me the initial confidence to start this project.

Mart · 11-02-2023, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GRAZIOLI

Mart, Are you Mart from Mart garage? If so love your youtube. I gave me the initial confidence to start this project.

Guilty as charged, your honour.

PeteVS · 11-02-2023, 09:06 AM

I'm out of realm of knowledge here but '33-'34's had different length torque tubes for V8 and 4 cylinder engines. Is it possible he's using the longer of the two and would benefit from using the shorter?

GRAZIOLI · 11-05-2023, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrie

Here is the said crank and pulley.
I machined off the outside pulley from the twin pulley set unmade a nice thick washer, cut down the bolt and shortened the crankshaft to suit.
Lawrie

Lawrie, Thank you for the advice. did both. Still have an issue with the water pump hoses and clearance with the front cross member. Do I need to but a modified front cross member in order to fit this engine in this truck? see photos.

If I need a new front cross member, any advice on where to find the one I need?
If I just need to raise the engine mounts will that effect performance? what would I use to raise it?

Bored&Stroked · 11-05-2023, 08:49 PM

It doesn't appear that you've cut the spring mount, nor found the right front pulley? I believe this thread has given you all the information you need - is there something that is confusing you at this point. You mentioned that you 'did both' - the pictures you show don't show anything of the sort?

In addition to the right pulley and trimming of the U-bolt pad, you still need to get the U-bend spacers that hold the front of the engine up and also fix the misalignment of the motor mount bolts versus the water pump holes.

These U-bends are about 1 1/2" or so tall. I can measure the ones that came out of my 34 if need be - and take pics. Without the spacers, the water pump inlets will be too low, and the bolt holes won't align with the motor mounts and water pumps.

drfromnc · 11-12-2023, 05:59 PM

Hey graziola,

I’m in NC too, east of Raleigh in Smithfield. I’m building same, 34 pickup with 59a engine and my drivetrain is all sorted out and bolted to the frame with all previous mods/adapters/spacers etc. send me a message if you live nearby or will be in the area so you can see how it all goes together on my project.

Angledrive · 11-12-2023, 06:30 PM

Read this thread, you need u shaped mounts
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266409

cas3 · 11-13-2023, 12:10 AM

It appears in the photo that you are using straight lower radiator hose, and it clears the front crossmember nicely. However, the two that I've done, the motor sits with the hose outlet at the pump just slightly lower than the crossmember, and the solution there is using a lower hose made for the 8ba's that have a slight offset to them.

Your crank center line seems to line up with the u bolt pad and crank hole, correct, but I used a model A u bolt pad, thinner I believe. As mentioned before, it will get so close that its hard to change the fan belt.

10-17-2023, 05:55 AM	#21
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,218	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? I will post a pic of my 33 spare 99a engine and pulley tomorrow Lawrie

10-17-2023, 08:15 AM	#22
deuce5wndw Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Liberty, KY Posts: 901	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? Do you have a 4 cylinder rearend? I have read they are longer than the V8 rear.

10-17-2023, 10:13 AM	#23
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,755	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? The parts book shows 4cyl drive shaft 58 7/16" 8cyl 60 5/32".

10-17-2023, 01:28 PM	#24
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,755	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? Of course, yes, 4 cyl driveshft is shorter to allow for the longer 4 cyl engine. I believe the rear mount is similar but fitted the other way around so the ears stick forward.

10-21-2023, 09:03 AM	#27
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? Note: When I've done this, I've NOT had to shorten the crankshaft - I just cut the "U" off of the top of the spring bolt piece. I don't believe you'll need to shorten the crank if you do that and have the correct water pump spacers/mounts.

10-24-2023, 05:41 AM	#31
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? When they're BOTH gone, nothing more to worry about! LOL

11-02-2023, 06:35 AM	#32
GRAZIOLI Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Location: North Carolina Posts: 13	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? Lawrie, Mart Thank you. Huge help with understanding I'm not out of my mind... :-) Thank you to everyone else as well. I hate when I get to a point like this, it saps the motivation when I have no idea how to deal with it. Mart, Are you Mart from Mart garage? If so love your youtube. I gave me the initial confidence to start this project. Last edited by GRAZIOLI; 11-02-2023 at 06:45 AM. Reason: updated info

11-02-2023, 09:06 AM	#34
PeteVS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: FP, NJ Posts: 2,770	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? I'm out of realm of knowledge here but '33-'34's had different length torque tubes for V8 and 4 cylinder engines. Is it possible he's using the longer of the two and would benefit from using the shorter? __________________ Don't never get rid of nuthin!

11-05-2023, 08:49 PM	#36
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? It doesn't appear that you've cut the spring mount, nor found the right front pulley? I believe this thread has given you all the information you need - is there something that is confusing you at this point. You mentioned that you 'did both' - the pictures you show don't show anything of the sort? In addition to the right pulley and trimming of the U-bolt pad, you still need to get the U-bend spacers that hold the front of the engine up and also fix the misalignment of the motor mount bolts versus the water pump holes. These U-bends are about 1 1/2" or so tall. I can measure the ones that came out of my 34 if need be - and take pics. Without the spacers, the water pump inlets will be too low, and the bolt holes won't align with the motor mounts and water pumps.

11-12-2023, 05:59 PM	#37
drfromnc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Smithfield, NC Posts: 259	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? Hey graziola, I’m in NC too, east of Raleigh in Smithfield. I’m building same, 34 pickup with 59a engine and my drivetrain is all sorted out and bolted to the frame with all previous mods/adapters/spacers etc. send me a message if you live nearby or will be in the area so you can see how it all goes together on my project.

11-12-2023, 06:30 PM	#38
Angledrive Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeland Florida Posts: 303	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? Read this thread, you need u shaped mounts https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266409

11-13-2023, 12:10 AM	#39
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,578	Re: '46 v8 to long to fit '34 truck frame? It appears in the photo that you are using straight lower radiator hose, and it clears the front crossmember nicely. However, the two that I've done, the motor sits with the hose outlet at the pump just slightly lower than the crossmember, and the solution there is using a lower hose made for the 8ba's that have a slight offset to them. Your crank center line seems to line up with the u bolt pad and crank hole, correct, but I used a model A u bolt pad, thinner I believe. As mentioned before, it will get so close that its hard to change the fan belt.