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Old 10-31-2017, 05:32 AM   #1
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Default Anyone shovel dead fish against the tide.

Older I get the more I shovel. Have a donor eng. in my 46 think its a 1941
(raised deck) runs fine but rear main soaked the clutch. brainstorm plan.
My itch youngest son (no kid either) has a real barn find origional paint
1934 four door V8 -drives it around sounds real nice. Whats he do? takes
the whole thing apart body off, engine in pieces - engine fell over busted
a few head studs I cant find nothing (parts). OK plan; me and my oldest son
take the 1941 engine out and put a fresh I mean total fresh EAB in the 46.
EAB has the new 12vt starter and 12vt Power gen big bucks, but I dont want
that, Idea is my 6v starter and my generator--oh boy generator way off need
49-53 style so the new 12vt Powergen not hooked up but just to run it.
My plan is put the daily driver 41 in the 34 and I put my claws on the 34
cause the kid spends all his money on foolishness. Problem the new engine
on the test stand started instantly runs like a watch set up for 12vts. Now
the new engine in my 46 turns and turns finnally starts. Every thing on eng.
is genuine new not rebuilt. So yesterday me & the kid go test riding with
no hood on it, oh baby sweet- kid boots it to 70 & back down got ta break it
in and all that 45lb oil press idle with 180 stats. Happy camper-get back to
shop same shit, turns turns to start- then starts. I never had any that didn't
instant start fast as you hit the button. NOT starter it whips right over on 6vts-- has new high buck carb new dist new everything. What in hell is wrong
here- when it desides to start runs silent as a cat.
Any ideas? My brain says I gotta put some miles on it.
An other odd thing we did couple miles at 65 and it felt like overdrive no
noise no nothing way different sorry for long post I don't know how to condense ain't been to school for 55yrs lol.........sam

How's this: I have a 23 touring car so this 30yr old kid parading around town with a
life size skeleton that cost him $150 bucks instead of buying 1934 parts? has good job
works 7 days a week broke buying foolish stuff. wife say whose his parants; not us.

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Old 10-31-2017, 08:18 AM   #2
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Default Re: Anyone shovel dead fish against the tide.

Could just need more miles, but have you checked the voltage at the coil? Cranking the engine pulls the voltage down and if the voltage to the coil is low to begin with then it is going to be hard to start. Try a temporary jumper around the ballast resistor and see what happens. That will increase the starting voltage to the coil. Don't run it long term with the jumper, just for testing.


"How's this: I have a 23 touring car so this 30yr old kid parading around town with a
life size skeleton that cost him $150 bucks instead of buying 1934 parts? has good job
works 7 days a week broke buying foolish stuff. wife say whose his parents; not us."


So, you only spend money on sensible things, like old Fords! LOL
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Old 10-31-2017, 08:35 AM   #3
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Default Re: Anyone shovel dead fish against the tide.

Yes and decided years ago when the 2nd thing you break upon touching before the sun is up, is a day best spent on the porch. Try again tomorrow. Good luck
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Yes and decided years ago when the 2nd thing you break upon touching before the sun is up, is a day best spent on the porch. Try again tomorrow. Good luck
I have had quite a few of those DAYS to be spent on the porch, and i'm sure many other guys.
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Old 11-01-2017, 01:58 AM   #5
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Default Re: Anyone shovel dead fish against the tide.

Long crank can be due to being too rich. Many reasons for a 94 to be too rich. Lots of posts on here previously.

If holding the pedal down while cranking makes it start easier, then an over rich condition is causing the long crank.

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Old 11-01-2017, 03:46 AM   #6
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JSeery I think you nailed it (resistor). I have 5 48-50 trucks F2s F3s F6s F7s &F8s and
one Marmon F6 and none have a resistor. I still wonder why pre 1949s have resistors.
We serviced all makes back when fairly new, and Ford was the only one with a resistor
pre 1949. Could be something to do with dual points? Another word, find a 1946
Plymouth for example and you will find NO resistor, no doubt Bubba will know. As for
12vt conversions yes you need a resistor. However more mile put on yesterday
next problem 212 degrees; I know its Taiwan thermosts are junk (180s) back to Napa
again. Next it doesnt have the rolling balls the other eng. had, which has raised deck
likely a 1941, that thing snapped ya neck off. But me happy with oil pressure even
at 20 miles running just about boiling its got 40 lbs at idle. By the way this block
was thermo cleaned right to cast iron. Infared gun 200 on head 120 on hoses so
thermos are junk. AS far as having snap, I wonder, It has a 11 clutch cause I don't have a 10 inch flywheel, but then my F6 8BA has snap to it. I still think 500 miles
is what it needs. we will see what today brings. sam
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Default Re: Anyone shovel dead fish against the tide.

The ballast resistor is only needed for the older bakelite coils if you´re running the later cancoil with it still in place you get a to low voltage and that will affect performance.
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the ballast resistor is only needed for the older bakelite coils if you´re running the later cancoil with it still in place you get a to low voltage and that will affect performance.

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