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09-01-2018, 10:44 AM | #21 | |
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X2. I have had the same experiences with my storage engines, esp my boat which has a 4 cylinder Chev engine. Also true with my yard machines. With the non eth gas they all fire right up the next season..........corn gas I wonder if they will ever start up and sometimes I have rebuild the carbs. No corn gas for me in stored engines!! |
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09-01-2018, 03:11 PM | #22 |
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I was just adding that in for effect. A lot of electricity is used however for transfer pumps during the wet milling process and movement of wash to the column. There is may be a chilling process prior to adding the yeast and for the condensers. The reboilers would be using fuel oil or natural gas but may need air pumps to provide hotter combustion. Niether of those fuels are renewable. Coal gasification would likely be too expensive too but eventually the gas and fuel oil will become more expensive as supplies dwindle. In any case it takes a lot of energy to run those distillation columns. They should consider setting up with electrical power plants to use there left over steam as long as it is still within the temperature needs of the columns. I hear that they use left over steam from nuclear power plants that way up in Canada. When I was a kid, there was a large corporate farm in southwest Kansas that produced sugar beets to refine for sugar. The distillers should think about going back to that. It would be a lot better source of sugar than corn is. It's ironic though that the sugar company went out of business and the local electric company purchased and repurposed the old sugar processing plant into a power generator plant for the local community. That was back when they were still using natural gas. Now days they have a great big coal fired plant that does the job. They were worried about running out of gas in the 5th largest gas field in the United States at the time (Hugoton Field) even back in the 70s. What would be ironic is if they mated a distillery for ethanol using sugar beets to that power plant. It already has the steam turbine technology with plenty of left over heat. |
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09-01-2018, 06:54 PM | #23 | |
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"What would be ironic is if they mated a distillery for ethanol using sugar beets to that power plant." Now you have an idea, a commercial condensing power plant produces lots of low temperature heat that is wasted. Ethanol plants use lots of low temperature heat. Reboilers haven't used fuel oil for 40+ years if ever as natural gas is much cheaper.
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09-02-2018, 04:43 AM | #24 |
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Know that '10% Ethanol' is actually 10% MINIMUM. Tests here in Oregon have found pump gas at close to 20%
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09-02-2018, 08:00 AM | #25 |
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So far, It's not mandatory in most states so many of the additions of alcohol are more recommended in nature. When the change will come is if we have an embargo or another war situation where fuel becomes problematic to source. Right now, I don't think the USA would be sustainable on ethanol alone. There just isn't enough made to do much more than a percentage and 10 to 15% is likely all that is sustainable for the time being. The E85 thing kind of waned. I still own a flex fuel vehicle but E85 is not available here in Texas.
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09-02-2018, 02:52 PM | #26 |
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I had a 56 MG that wasn't used for 2 years, the gas had eaten into the carb float bowls about a 1/16inch and there was equivalent to silver aluminum paint in the float bowls, the gas tank was very basly rusted and the bottom had thick tar like residue in the bottom. The float and sender unit inside the gas tank were trashed by corrosion. I had similar problems with the gas tank on a Model A I bought, that had sat a few years. The Model A was running when parked, but I ended up having to pull the head and do a valve job to get rid of this sticky molasses type goo. I googled problems with alcohol based gas, there is too much to list here, but look it up on the net. IT IS BANNED FOR MARINE AND AIRCRAFT USE IN CERTAIN STATES AND COUNTRIES, BECAUSE IT IS HYDROSCOPIC, ABSORBING WATER. And any fibreglass or plastic tank built before 1990 is likely to dissolve from this gas. Viv. |
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09-02-2018, 10:34 PM | #28 |
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09-04-2018, 10:54 AM | #29 |
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I have 3 dead engines right now that require fuel pumps or carbs to run again due to the big E crap gas. Forgot to put STABIL or something similar in them last fall.
Actually I think I did put it in but not real great at record keeping. Started buying premixed 2 Cycle gas at HD, Walmart, or Lowes for the same reason. Lobbyist "own" most of Congress. |
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09-04-2018, 01:08 PM | #32 |
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I thought corn was for moon shine?. Jack.
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09-04-2018, 06:21 PM | #33 |
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I run it in the small engines OK but I have to drain the fuel tank and run it dry if I let it set for any substantial length of time. If I don't, it will need a new one of those plastic carbs for sure.
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09-04-2018, 09:35 PM | #34 |
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Ethanol has destroyed 3 of my electric fuel pumps. Kits are available but are not ethanol compatible.
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09-05-2018, 10:33 AM | #35 | |
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If you're finding higher percentages at your local pumps, then some place in the chain isn't blending or storing its fuels properly.
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Indianapolis race cars use i00% alcohol, they run very well!!!!
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09-05-2018, 10:48 AM | #37 |
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09-05-2018, 10:54 AM | #38 |
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09-05-2018, 11:04 AM | #39 |
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Maybe we need a race where the gas has set around a year, it might be fun! Do you think the different stations would plaster their names across the cars?
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