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05-26-2021, 09:26 PM | #1 |
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Vintage Precision Hub Puller
I expect that this post might p-off some Barners because of the extensive discussion of the subject on this site but I am very reluctant to hammer on the rear axle or on a puller. It seems to me that there must be some impact (pun intended) on the differential components from hammering on the end of the axle.
I have been using the cup-type puller but not hammering on it) with no success on either rear hub. I planned to buy a Mitchell puller, but the instructions for that puller call for hammering on the tool. There is a puller made by Vintage Precision that they claim is an improvement on the KR Wilson design. Their instructions do not call for hammering on the tool. Has anyone tried this puller, or the Mitchell, with good results? Frustrated Mike |
05-26-2021, 09:48 PM | #2 |
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Sorry I haven't tried that particular puller, but it's a good idea to use a quality tool, whenever possible. The problem seems to me, some guys don't get immediate results when hitting puller with a hammer, so they either get a "bigger hammer" or start swinging at the puller like Big Poppi hammering out a homer in Fenway Park. "HEAT" is the answer, right in the proper place and a firm tap should pop a stubborn hub loose.
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05-27-2021, 03:36 AM | #3 |
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Re: Vintage Precision Hub Puller
I found this on eBay a while back. No hammering is required if you use a breaker bar.
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05-27-2021, 04:16 AM | #4 |
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Re: Vintage Precision Hub Puller
I am lucky enough to have two nearby friends to borrow a KRW style pulller from, but here is the tool I made from my brake adjusting board to keep the hub from spinning:
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Re: Vintage Precision Hub Puller
BTW you can not go wrong with Vintage Precision ,high quality parts and tools made by model a people.. Their thermostat set up is the best one out there.
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05-27-2021, 08:27 AM | #8 |
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Agree, but it's Fugly...
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05-27-2021, 09:02 AM | #9 |
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MMMM So I had a tough time getting a rear drum off a year or so ago. It was 8pm and I was getting tired Used a breaker bar and a similar set up like the break board. Went to bed. Woke up the next morning and the drum all but fell off in the night. All by it's lonesome.
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Good Morning...I agree with Jack Shaft...The Vintage Percision Thermostat set up is great and I have been using it for over a year and all is well. It even looks factory...just the way that it goes on and has openings for heat gage connection...Ernie in Arizona
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05-27-2021, 09:49 AM | #12 |
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Re: Vintage Precision Hub Puller
I made a clam shell style for '40 hubs and it worked well on one side but not the other. I'm hoping I just had the most stuck taper ever.
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05-27-2021, 09:51 AM | #13 |
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One option is to back the axle hut off about a 1/2 turn, re-install the cotter pin and drive around the block.
Another style that works good:
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I have a hub puller sold by Snyder's, Part # A-1114-PS. It says it is for 1 1928 car,
I used it on my 1930 A and it worked perfectly. No hammering just turn a wrench, used to pull hubs front and rear.
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You need a puller for your front hubs??
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Re: Vintage Precision Hub Puller
The pullers IMO are the ones which pull at the hub and not the 5 stud bolts. The hub portion which contains the 5 wheel studs can be prone to distortion from severe pulling effort when trying to pull on a very stubborn and tight taper. The flaming wrench has always worked for stubborn dis- assembly efforts.
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The front and rear were not really hard to pull, about a half turn with the wrench the rest by turning the puller bolt by hand.
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Exactly.
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Thanks for the tip, I will certainly make sure they are tight.
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Re: Vintage Precision Hub Puller
People have been hitting the pullers with a hammer since the cars were new. Not going to hurt anything. JMO
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Pullers that pull on the studs are an EXTREMELY poor choice for the job.
An explanation should not be required. When axles are lapped to the hubs as in vintage race cars, they are almost impossible to get off by simply applying force no matter what type or brand of puller is used, however they normally come off with no more that 75 lb of torque simply by heating the hub to about 300 degrees after torque is applied. This will not affect the heat treat in the hub or axle. |
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I torque those rear hub nuts to 100 fp.
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While trying to get something happening, I found that the American NPT threads are not used anywhere else so why supply them with American threads? That is about $170 wasted. The set up is so wonderful, I have to go back to the thermostat in the hose. Buy one of their hub pullers? Not bleedin likely!
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Re: Vintage Precision Hub Puller
I have a '41 Ford in addition to my Model As. I bought the Vintage Precision puller when I had to do a brake job on that car.
I am impressed with the pullers construction and will not hesitate to use it on my older cars. I also like the plastic telescope it comes shipped in. It's great for storing the puller on the shelf. |
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Hmmm.... I bought one a while back, and the temperature probe fits fine. I’m very happy with my unit. I don’t know why yours would be so different from mine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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To answer the op's question, The Vintage precision puller is a fine unit that works great for me. Pricey, but worth it.
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I bought a Stewart Warner temperature gauge from Speedway Motors. It’s a bit pricey, but it works great. No regrets. https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Stewa...Inch,7150.html Hmmm... Now that I think about it, I think I originally bought a cheap China-made temperature gauge that didn’t fit. However, like I said, the Stewart Warner gauge works great for me, and it looks period correct. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by shew01; 05-27-2021 at 08:38 PM. |
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I also bought one of the Vintage hub pullers and have used it on my A', my friends A' on more than one occasion, several spare rear ends , my 34 coupe, and also a 40 rear end. I have yet to encounter any problems removing the hubs, although some have been very tight and I also use a good quality 3/4" SK breaker bar and their sockets or an impact socket on the bar for greater leverage. I will add this one note for my disassembly procedure. Before installing the hub puller I use a sledge hammer on one side of the hub @ the taper, and a large ball peen hammer struck on the opposite side of the hub against the shanks stem. This additional effort does seem to relieve the grip of the most stubborn hubs - even ones that were rusted to the axle.
Yes it was expensive for a very specific tool that will only be used a few times, but without it, or something at least equal to it in quality and performance, you could be spending a lot more time removing the hubs than need be - hopefully successful. |
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While the Vintage Precision puller looks like a nice unit, it can only be used on one type of hub (per their website. The Mitchell puller can be used on both types of hubs. I have run into cars with both types of hubs. https://mitchelloverdrives.com/mitchell-hub-puller/ less expensive too.
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I have not seen this type of hub puller in the USA, swap meets etc etc . Someone has cut slots to use it on a bigger lug nut spacing . It seems to be forged steel . It has a heavy outer nut with a sliding inner nut . Wind the big one up hard and bop the inner . Works a treat even on a correctly fitted hub . I am aware that in extreme cases the hub flange could be distorted but up to now that has not happened . I sometimes use heat on the hub if I think I could cause that problem . It is made by HARTRO which think could be Danish It has a big brother for the AA truck .Maybe Brad in Germany could identify them.
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The APCO gauge fits these housings which are said to be 1/2 inch. https://www.oneillvintageford.co.uk/...ter_Pipes.html From the VP web site "Typically, electric temperature gauges use 1/4" NPT senders and mechanical gauges use 1/2" NPT senders. The Vintage Precision Thermostat Housing has (1) 1/2" NPT port and (1) 1/4" NPT port. Because mechanical gauges that use the 1/2” NPT port have temp senders that occasionally run long, they can stick too far into the housing and interfere with the function of the thermostat. Available upon request, we can include a 1/2” NPT bushing ($5.00) that will offset your temp sender safely away from the thermostat." |
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This is the one that I made like the one pictured on ebay. It works real well on Model A and also on the 40-48 Ford rear hubs.
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I'd suggest turning that axle nut over before applying pressure on it.
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I like making tools.. especially the dangerous ones, at my age any thrill is a good thrill..
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Other tools I have made: Rear Spring tool and Toe In Alignment tool!
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