The Ford Barn

C26Pinelake · 06-10-2015, 12:52 PM

The cement mixer is the funny part in case anyone missed it. Can you visualize a gas tank tied to a cement mixer ? Wayne

Jakneedler · 06-10-2015, 04:49 PM

Can you tell me the name of the company that can cut a take apart and clean it out like the pictures show?
I have a tank I need cleaned.
Please advise
Thanks
james

Mitch//pa · 06-10-2015, 05:14 PM

Call Brent

CarlG · 06-10-2015, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C26Pinelake

The cement mixer is the funny part in case anyone missed it. Can you visualize a gas tank tied to a cement mixer ? Wayne

The cement mixer is no joke. One of the guys in our club did this. It was written up in our monthly rag a couple of months ago.

BTW, He was the one that used Ice instead of rocks.

ODFever · 06-10-2015, 05:38 PM

What's even funnier is that the original poster created this thread with a total of 4 words. It was his first post. He hasn't posted on this thread or any others. The thread is 2 pages long and he provided absolutely no details about his problem!!

Manager · 06-10-2015, 07:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ODFever

What's even funnier is that the original poster created this thread with a total of 4 words. It was his first post. He hasn't posted on this thread or any others. The thread is 2 pages long and he provided absolutely no details about his problem!!

He's not the only one with the problem. I have been watching it closely and even before Carl posted that it wasn't necesarily a joke I was seriously thinking about the cement mixer and ice idea but wasn't game to say so.

I will add that if I lived anywhere near Brent I would have my tank out and over at his place by now.

Mike V. Florida · 06-10-2015, 11:22 PM

As you know I'm the one that posted about the cement mixer.

Let me expand a little on rusty tanks. There are three types of tanks, ones in good shape, ones with small flakes of rust, ones with large flakes.

Tumbling media, such as rocks, will beat most of the large rust out of the tank. Rocks left in the tank will not rust and would be of little problem in the future.

Chemicals that remove the rust do a good job as well. Both tumbling of some kind, and rust remover would be better for the real rusty tank.

Now, once the tank is "clean" what do we do? If you leave it rust will reappear where there is no gas, including the top of the tank. This will eventually cause a problem several years down the line. How many? Could be 5, 10, or 25 years from now.

The bottom line repair, (Notice I did not say fix) is to open the tank, remove the rust and seal the tank metal surfaces.

Tom Wesenberg · 06-11-2015, 01:16 AM

I suggested strapping the tank to a cement mixer a long time ago, but you'd have to use some media that can get around the baffles. Someone lined the tank in my 1950 Studebaker that I bought a year ago, and the crap is coming off and plugging the fuel line. Yesterday I removed the tank, and today I tumbled it with my cement mixer. This tank has no baffles, and I used a few pounds of bolts and screws, mostly lag bolts. Lag bolts work well because of the course sharp threads. The tumbling did a good job of removing the rest of the liner. I set the angle at 45* so the hardware slides across the top and bottom surfaces. This means I had to flip the tank over to do both surfaces.

For a Model A tank, if you used a bunch of black beauty it would get past the baffles, but if you have heavy rust it could takes days of tumbling to remove it. My first choice would be EvapoRust or whatever the liquid is called. Again you'd have to turn the tank to reach all sides, or buy 10 gallons of the stuff.

Actually my first choice would be to buy a cleaner tank, and I've passed up some nice tanks because I didn't need them.

C26Pinelake · 06-11-2015, 02:47 AM

Thankyou Mike and Tom for your great explanation of a subject that I indeed thought was a joke. I still chuckle when I envision the tank strapped to the cement mixer but I understand what each of you are saying. I also agree with Brent that the best solution is to open up the tank to do a proper job. Thanks again, Wayne

updraught · 06-11-2015, 05:24 AM

Anyone know what dissolves a tank liner? Not sure what brand. It was put in during the 1980's. It all gravitated to the bottom of the tank and left the holes at the sides.

Tom Wesenberg · 06-11-2015, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by updraught

Anyone know what dissolves a tank liner? Not sure what brand. It was put in during the 1980's. It all gravitated to the bottom of the tank and left the holes at the sides.

I wonder if "Marine Clean" would remove it?

My neighbor used that to clean his Jeep gas tank, but I think he just had dried gas residue.

Greg Jones · 06-11-2015, 08:09 AM

Ethanol will dissolve the older sealant. I used the sealant from hirsch in 1980 in my model t gas tank. Worked great until the advent of modern day ethanol contaminated gas. The ethanol melted the old sealant and filled my carb with a jelled glob.

Pickupman · 06-11-2015, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

As you know I'm the one that posted about the cement mixer.

Let me expand a little on rusty tanks. There are three types of tanks, ones in good shape, ones with small flakes of rust, ones with large flakes.

Tumbling media, such as rocks, will beat most of the large rust out of the tank. Rocks left in the tank will not rust and would be of little problem in the future.

Chemicals that remove the rust do a good job as well. Both tumbling of some kind, and rust remover would be better for the real rusty tank.

Now, once the tank is "clean" what do we do? If you leave it rust will reappear where there is no gas, including the top of the tank. This will eventually cause a problem several years down the line. How many? Could be 5, 10, or 25 years from now.

The bottom line repair, (Notice I did not say fix) is to open the tank, remove the rust and seal the tank metal surfaces.

I'm curious as to how many gas tanks you have used this method on?

Mark in MT · 06-11-2015, 08:22 AM

We had a couple in the shop that had failed sealing jobs. One had the soft set type sealer from the 80s, alky fuel melted it out and we found goo clear into the intake ports. Makes a lovely mess. #2 had a thin white plasticky sealer that came loose in sheets, looked like you put a handful of bread sacks in the tank. We found that lacquer thinner would dissolve both types, we would pour in 5 gal and rotate it around, then drain through a paint strainer to see what we had. Repeat until clean. We then sealed with por15 to hold down any remaining bits. If your tank is nicely painted, you gotta be real careful not to get any thinner on the paint or it will eat it.

johnbuckley · 06-11-2015, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODFever

What's even funnier is that the original poster created this thread with a total of 4 words. It was his first post. He hasn't posted on this thread or any others. The thread is 2 pages long and he provided absolutely no details about his problem!!

Yep, That's the joy of Fordbarn. No matter what the question; we will give answers! ( OK then, opinions) And I for one think he should check the condenser.

Tom Wesenberg · 06-11-2015, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnbuckley

Yep, That's the joy of Fordbarn. No matter what the question; we will give answers! ( OK then, opinions) And I for one think he should check the condenser.

I think he should check his Fordbarn post.

06-10-2015, 12:52 PM	#21
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: gas tank The cement mixer is the funny part in case anyone missed it. Can you visualize a gas tank tied to a cement mixer ? Wayne

06-10-2015, 04:49 PM	#22
Jakneedler Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Rogers AR. Posts: 7	Re: gas tank Can you tell me the name of the company that can cut a take apart and clean it out like the pictures show? I have a tank I need cleaned. Please advise Thanks james

06-10-2015, 05:14 PM	#23
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: gas tank Call Brent

06-10-2015, 05:38 PM	#25
ODFever Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Central Florida Posts: 116	Re: gas tank What's even funnier is that the original poster created this thread with a total of 4 words. It was his first post. He hasn't posted on this thread or any others. The thread is 2 pages long and he provided absolutely no details about his problem!! __________________ ODFever 1930 Ford Model A Town Sedan "Alyssa"

06-10-2015, 11:22 PM	#27
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: gas tank As you know I'm the one that posted about the cement mixer. Let me expand a little on rusty tanks. There are three types of tanks, ones in good shape, ones with small flakes of rust, ones with large flakes. Tumbling media, such as rocks, will beat most of the large rust out of the tank. Rocks left in the tank will not rust and would be of little problem in the future. Chemicals that remove the rust do a good job as well. Both tumbling of some kind, and rust remover would be better for the real rusty tank. Now, once the tank is "clean" what do we do? If you leave it rust will reappear where there is no gas, including the top of the tank. This will eventually cause a problem several years down the line. How many? Could be 5, 10, or 25 years from now. The bottom line repair, (Notice I did not say fix) is to open the tank, remove the rust and seal the tank metal surfaces. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

06-11-2015, 01:16 AM	#28
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: gas tank I suggested strapping the tank to a cement mixer a long time ago, but you'd have to use some media that can get around the baffles. Someone lined the tank in my 1950 Studebaker that I bought a year ago, and the crap is coming off and plugging the fuel line. Yesterday I removed the tank, and today I tumbled it with my cement mixer. This tank has no baffles, and I used a few pounds of bolts and screws, mostly lag bolts. Lag bolts work well because of the course sharp threads. The tumbling did a good job of removing the rest of the liner. I set the angle at 45* so the hardware slides across the top and bottom surfaces. This means I had to flip the tank over to do both surfaces. For a Model A tank, if you used a bunch of black beauty it would get past the baffles, but if you have heavy rust it could takes days of tumbling to remove it. My first choice would be EvapoRust or whatever the liquid is called. Again you'd have to turn the tank to reach all sides, or buy 10 gallons of the stuff. Actually my first choice would be to buy a cleaner tank, and I've passed up some nice tanks because I didn't need them.

06-11-2015, 02:47 AM	#29
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: gas tank Thankyou Mike and Tom for your great explanation of a subject that I indeed thought was a joke. I still chuckle when I envision the tank strapped to the cement mixer but I understand what each of you are saying. I also agree with Brent that the best solution is to open up the tank to do a proper job. Thanks again, Wayne

06-11-2015, 05:24 AM	#30
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	Re: gas tank Anyone know what dissolves a tank liner? Not sure what brand. It was put in during the 1980's. It all gravitated to the bottom of the tank and left the holes at the sides.

06-11-2015, 08:09 AM	#32
Greg Jones Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Aiken, South Carolina Posts: 695	Re: gas tank Ethanol will dissolve the older sealant. I used the sealant from hirsch in 1980 in my model t gas tank. Worked great until the advent of modern day ethanol contaminated gas. The ethanol melted the old sealant and filled my carb with a jelled glob.

06-11-2015, 08:22 AM	#34
Mark in MT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Western MT Posts: 218	Re: gas tank We had a couple in the shop that had failed sealing jobs. One had the soft set type sealer from the 80s, alky fuel melted it out and we found goo clear into the intake ports. Makes a lovely mess. #2 had a thin white plasticky sealer that came loose in sheets, looked like you put a handful of bread sacks in the tank. We found that lacquer thinner would dissolve both types, we would pour in 5 gal and rotate it around, then drain through a paint strainer to see what we had. Repeat until clean. We then sealed with por15 to hold down any remaining bits. If your tank is nicely painted, you gotta be real careful not to get any thinner on the paint or it will eat it. __________________ Mark in MT Always looking for another opportunity to be wrong.