Unstuck engine now restuck...

[Beauford]

So ever since I have pulled the pan and head I can't get the hand crank to spin. Starter is off along with bolts. Kroiled the cylinders some more. Looking underneath looks great. I jacked the rear as it seems my clutch is stuck being able to change gears without pushing clutch pedal. I still cant hand crank with rear in air in neutral or in gear but can turn rear tires by hand turning the wheels. I have tied the clutch pedal down as advised and sprayed PB in inspection plate area and through starter opening. I'm perplexed? Going to clean carbon build up tomorrow and hopefully will turn. I really appreciate all responses. You guys are my brain trust. Don't trust mine! Thank you!

[SeaSlugs]

So it turned before you removed the head and pan?

That doesn't make any sense why it would stop turning unless you dropped a bolt somewhere its not supposed to be or have bits of old bolts jamming up the starter ring gear...

Also its normal to be able to change gears (if everything is aligned perfectly) without the clutch being pressed... so now that youve soaked the clutch disc in PB blaster its probably junk now...

is this on a car that was running earlier this year or is this in a barn find that hasnt moved in 40?

Try turning the engine backwards and see if it moves.

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by SeaSlugs

So it turned before you removed the head and pan?

That doesn't make any sense why it would stop turning unless you dropped a bolt somewhere its not supposed to be or have bits of old bolts jamming up the starter ring gear...

Also its normal to be able to change gears (if everything is aligned perfectly) without the clutch being pressed... so now that youve soaked the clutch disc in PB blaster its probably junk now...

is this on a car that was running earlier this year or is this in a barn find that hasnt moved in 40?

Try turning the engine backwards and see if it moves.

Yep

[RonC]

Being able to change the gears without pushing in the clutch does not mean your clutch is stuck. If you can spin the wheels by hand shift the transmission into 3rd and try and turn them. If they are locked drop the car down on the tires and rock the car back and forth. It should break the engine free. Before running the engine you should check the timing gear for broken teeth. Chances are it will be damaged due to age and rocking the stuck engine with the tires.

[tbirdtbird]

That doesn't make any sense why it would stop turning unless you dropped a bolt somewhere its not supposed to be or have bits of old bolts jamming up the starter ring gear...

[tbirdtbird]

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i think the normal action of the diff is going to complicate the interpretation

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

i think the normal action of the diff is going to complicate the interpretation

Yep

[Chris Haynes]

I have had great success breaking a stuck clutch. Lift the rear wheels off the ground with a floor jack. Start the vehicle with it is gear. Hold the clutch pedal down while revving the engine a bit. Have your buddy release the jack and drop the tires to the ground. This will usually break it loose the first time.

[Dick Steinkamp]

Originally Posted by Chris Haynes

I have had great success breaking a stuck clutch. Lift the rear wheels off the ground with a floor jack. Start the vehicle with it is gear. Hold the clutch pedal down while revving the engine a bit. Have your buddy release the jack and drop the tires to the ground. This will usually break it loose the first time.

Probably won't work for him. The head and pan are off and the engine won't turn over.

BTW, a much safer way to break a stuck clutch loose if you have a running engine is to jack up the rear wheels. push in the clutch pedal, and hit the brakes.

[3.6rs]

Did you tried to turn the rear wheels when in gear ?

[Cornishman]

Is the engine seized? Has any water got into the cylinders? If so it could simply be that enough rust has formed in the bores to cause enough friction to prevent the engine turning.

[Beauford]

I have every single bolt accounted for in zip lock bags labeled. Yes, this is a Barn find (actually woods find). This is a frame with a engine / trans and four dry rotted tires with the body off. The top and bottom of engine really look great inside. I'll do one more inspection and then put the cheater bar on the crank nut.

[SeaSlugs]

dont snap the crank nut off... So did you in the last year ever have this engine free?? Are you sure there isn't a bunch of junk in the clutch housing jamming things up that critters drug in there?

[Beauford]

Seaslug...after soaking for a week in ATF it did turn. You had to put some effort into it but it did turn. I jacked up the back, took tied down clutch pedal free and put in 3rd and can not spin wheels. I will post pics in a sec.

[Beauford]

Ok...I have got the wheels to turn in third with clutch off but they seem to get a little hung in one spot but with effort turn. Here are some pics of this very rough project.

[3.6rs]

So if the wheels turn in third gear I guess the engine turns also ?

[Beauford]

3.6....I'm good with small engines but this is the first car other than brake jobs and oil changes I have ever fooled with but like it. I have no idea. I do not see any pistons moving while turning wheels??? I don't know.

[3.6rs]

Are both rear wheels off the ground ?
If so, try one wheel on the ground and turn on the one that's lifted.

[Beauford]

This is what I'm working with.....LOL

[George Miller]

Originally Posted by Beauford

Ok...I have got the wheels to turn in third with clutch off but they seem to get a little hung in one spot but with effort turn. Here are some pics of this very rough project.

Did you try turing the engine backwards, you might have a stuck valve. You might want to get a engine turner that replaces the starter. Then you can use a wrench on the turner, that should turn it. I made my own from a old starter. Like the other guys said the clutch has nothing to do with your problem.