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Logan · 07-05-2016, 07:59 PM

About a month and a half ago, Tod sent me one of his new Iron 6:1 winfield's to test. And there is only one word for it, AMAZING. I replaced my snyders 5.5:1 head with his winfield 6:1 and it was a world of difference. I have driven the car roughly 2800 miles since i installed it, and it has been wonderful. I even tested it from texas to colorado and back for the MAFCA national to give it a good loaded down higher RPM road test. And it pulled every hill better than i could have ever asked it to. I'm not going to get all technical, but the reason it had such an improvement over the 5.5:1 is because of the design of the combustion chamber the winfield's have. I still recommend the snyders 5.5:1 or 6:1 head, which Tod also Casts.

I did end up backing my timing off to about 24 degrees total advance for this head though. I wasnt getting any "pinging" from the increase in compression but after test driving it at 29 degrees advance, i could just tell it was too much. It pulled even better with that much advance, but i could feel/hear the pounding the cylinders were taking with that much advance. The people that understand what i mean with that last sentence will get what i'm saying. So at 24 degrees, it pulled my coupe fully loaded down with tools, parts, and clothes to colorado and back. While sitting on top of Ron Kelley's touring engines we cruised at a average of 68 mph there and back (often faster), with the motor never breaching 165 degrees.

I will say that i highly recommend this head, when it comes out in production. It wont be the only one that I own, I can guarantee that.

4port · 07-05-2016, 08:28 PM

Are you running a Gary Bernard 4 speed overdrive, with 3.78 rear end ratio?

tbirdtbird · 07-05-2016, 08:50 PM

congrats on the job!
did not know you had one of Tod's new goodies!
Agree with the advance you ended up with...we are using 23°

Logan · 07-05-2016, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4port

Are you running a Gary Bernard 4 speed overdrive, with 3.78 rear end ratio?

Yes and yes. With 16 inch wheels and radials

Logan · 07-05-2016, 10:24 PM

Thanks Dave! We made it official today... It's going to be a learning curve though out the next year or so.

tbirdtbird · 07-05-2016, 10:32 PM

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you'll knock'em dead.....

i'll swing by with the wrecked slant someday.....

Logan · 07-05-2016, 10:42 PM

Sounds like a plan. The goal is to have 1-2 old cars in the shop at all times. Those being the complete build projects, while teaching them the modern body work also.

waxhead · 07-06-2016, 04:36 AM

Thanks for the review

Tod · 07-06-2016, 06:09 AM

I have 4 in the shop to machine right now, and I'm sure they are all spoken for. I will be making more soon.

I also posted a picture of the first aluminum block on my Facebook page. I may get to the point of taking a picture of the block sitting in the fixture and IN the machining center.

Tod

BillLee/Chandler, TX · 07-06-2016, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tod

I have 4 in the shop to machine right now, and I'm sure they are all spoken for. I will be making more soon.

I also posted a picture of the first aluminum block on my Facebook page. I may get to the point of taking a picture of the block sitting in the fixture and IN the machining center.

Tod

Tod, I would like to view your Facebook page but can't find it using the FB search function. What is you Facebook ID?

Thanks!

Tod · 07-06-2016, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillLee/Chandler, TX

Tod, I would like to view your Facebook page but can't find it using the FB search function. What is you Facebook ID?

Thanks!

Just plain old Tod Buttermore.

Tod

BillLee/Chandler, TX · 07-06-2016, 11:55 AM

Thanks.

quickchange · 07-06-2016, 05:31 PM

Tod , What is the depth of chamber over the valves ? As head I was trying to use on our salt engine will need to have it relieved due too cam lift , Just doing some figures now , height . less gasket , less clearance etc , cam is 490 lift on both lobes, Thanks , Derek in a chilly NZ

Tod · 07-06-2016, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickchange

Tod , What is the depth of chamber over the valves ? As head I was trying to use on our salt engine will need to have it relieved due too cam lift , Just doing some figures now , height . less gasket , less clearance etc , cam is 490 lift on both lobes, Thanks , Derek in a chilly NZ

Chamber depth is .740.

Tod

07-05-2016, 07:59 PM	#1
Logan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,055	Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review About a month and a half ago, Tod sent me one of his new Iron 6:1 winfield's to test. And there is only one word for it, AMAZING. I replaced my snyders 5.5:1 head with his winfield 6:1 and it was a world of difference. I have driven the car roughly 2800 miles since i installed it, and it has been wonderful. I even tested it from texas to colorado and back for the MAFCA national to give it a good loaded down higher RPM road test. And it pulled every hill better than i could have ever asked it to. I'm not going to get all technical, but the reason it had such an improvement over the 5.5:1 is because of the design of the combustion chamber the winfield's have. I still recommend the snyders 5.5:1 or 6:1 head, which Tod also Casts. I did end up backing my timing off to about 24 degrees total advance for this head though. I wasnt getting any "pinging" from the increase in compression but after test driving it at 29 degrees advance, i could just tell it was too much. It pulled even better with that much advance, but i could feel/hear the pounding the cylinders were taking with that much advance. The people that understand what i mean with that last sentence will get what i'm saying. So at 24 degrees, it pulled my coupe fully loaded down with tools, parts, and clothes to colorado and back. While sitting on top of Ron Kelley's touring engines we cruised at a average of 68 mph there and back (often faster), with the motor never breaching 165 degrees. I will say that i highly recommend this head, when it comes out in production. It wont be the only one that I own, I can guarantee that. __________________ Cowtown A's

07-05-2016, 08:28 PM	#2
4port Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 112	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review Are you running a Gary Bernard 4 speed overdrive, with 3.78 rear end ratio? __________________ Remember when flying low inverted, down is up, and up can be expensive.

07-05-2016, 08:50 PM	#3
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review congrats on the job! did not know you had one of Tod's new goodies! Agree with the advance you ended up with...we are using 23° __________________ '31 180A

07-05-2016, 10:24 PM	#5
Logan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,055	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review Thanks Dave! We made it official today... It's going to be a learning curve though out the next year or so. __________________ Cowtown A's

07-05-2016, 10:32 PM	#6
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) you'll knock'em dead..... i'll swing by with the wrecked slant someday..... __________________ '31 180A

07-05-2016, 10:42 PM	#7
Logan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,055	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review Sounds like a plan. The goal is to have 1-2 old cars in the shop at all times. Those being the complete build projects, while teaching them the modern body work also. __________________ Cowtown A's

07-06-2016, 04:36 AM	#8
waxhead Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: West Australia Posts: 346	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review Thanks for the review

07-06-2016, 06:09 AM	#9
Tod Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Salem, Ohio Posts: 1,058	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review I have 4 in the shop to machine right now, and I'm sure they are all spoken for. I will be making more soon. I also posted a picture of the first aluminum block on my Facebook page. I may get to the point of taking a picture of the block sitting in the fixture and IN the machining center. Tod

07-06-2016, 11:55 AM	#12
BillLee/Chandler, TX Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: The sticks of east Texas Posts: 474	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review Thanks. __________________ Bill Lee http://www.CedarCreekAs.org

07-06-2016, 05:31 PM	#13
quickchange Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nelson. New Zealand Posts: 2,009	Re: Tod's NEW WINFIELD test review Tod , What is the depth of chamber over the valves ? As head I was trying to use on our salt engine will need to have it relieved due too cam lift , Just doing some figures now , height . less gasket , less clearance etc , cam is 490 lift on both lobes, Thanks , Derek in a chilly NZ