02-14-2018, 06:33 PM | #1 |
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What type of oil does a 8-n transmission and hydraulic system take?
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02-14-2018, 06:52 PM | #2 |
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90W gear oil
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02-14-2018, 08:22 PM | #3 |
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Sounds like somebody got a new tractor.
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90 wt is not correct, it needs hydraulic oil, TSC or other tractor supply stores can help you out.
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Transmission, differential and hydraulic mechanism Use mild E.P. Gear Oil conforming to Ford specifications M-4864-A & B as follows: At temp above +32 F - B (SAE 90) At temp below +32 F - A (SAE 80) Last edited by JSeery; 02-15-2018 at 09:12 AM. |
02-15-2018, 09:10 AM | #7 |
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Ford called for mineral oil. I have ran 90 wt and never had a problem.
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02-15-2018, 09:16 AM | #8 |
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No idea where all of these suggestions are coming from, but I would suggest using what Ford specified in the original Operator's Manual. mild EP SAE 80 or 90 Gear Oil.
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[QUOTE=oldbugger;1593181]90 wt is not correct, it needs hydraulic oil, TSC or other tractor supply stores can help you out.[/QUOTE
No, no, no! On these tractors the transmission, differential and hydraulic pump are one common unit and share the same oil. The ring and pinion gears need gear oil, not hydraulic oil! |
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There is a specific Ford branded oil that is available at Ford Tractor dealerships. I believe it is a trans-hydraulic type of oil. 80/90 is not recommended for winter use in cold climates(Ontario) Just did a trans overhall for a customer last fall. If you cant get the product number pm me
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Pennzoil had a "Tractor oil" which was like a medium hydraulic oil. We started using this oil for the man lifts which had been on ATF.
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Ford changed there books on the hydraulic oil sometime around the NAA era but they never updated the old 9N or 8N pubs. The rear axle can use mild EP like GL4 due to the yellow metal in there but most still just use GL1 types. The hydraulic oil recommendations were different with the M-4864-A/-D. A lot of folks use the NH-134 or the AW 46 hydro oil now days.
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Of all the quirks my old 850 has, none are related to the type of lubricants and fluids used. Just about any modern hydraulic oil will likely work, even if it has a lower viscosity. The thing would likely work with SAE 30 motor oil in it. I really should state that Ford really didn't update any of the tractor pubs once the last model of the series was obsoleted. I don't own any of the older N series so I don't have those pubs. The hydraulic systems for the 600 and 800 series aren't much different that the old N series but they were improved a little bit. Just having the 172 CID OHV motor is enough and the 5-speed transmission doesn't hurt anything either.
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I've never seen an 8n manual (and I have most of them) that recommended anything other than what the original operator's manual recommended. There might be other fluids that would work, but I stick with the original Ford recommendation. Now, just like the oil debates that go on, there are modern products that are often far superior to what was available in the 30s and 40s. So, if there is something better, I'm all for it, but so far I use the Ford suggested fluids (and these tractors are at least into the 50s!).
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GL-1 buy it at NAPA or Tractor supply, you don't say where you live, I have a new 5 gal can you can have if your close, I sold my 8N last year. Look at my album to see some pics.
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when I first got my 8n ( it is a 1948 model ) I changed the hyd. oil from what ever was in it to the recommended hyd. oil, I later had problems and took the tractor to an old tractor mechanic, down in Texas, first thing he did was change the oil back to 80-90wt gl1 He said because if the heat down there in Texas the 80-90 works better. I have seen some where that this was recommended, can't remember where though, may have been in my 8n manual, but it is in Texas and I am In Alaska right now, so I can't check. I have not had any problems with the trans, diff, or the hyd. lift since changing it to the 80-90wt .
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I stand corrected, but I cant imagine an 80\90 working well in the hyd pump in Michigan winter weather, when I am plowing snow
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The AW46 that a lot of folks use is a lot less viscous than the gear oil. It's somewhere around what would be SAE 15. This is better for winter climates but may cavitate more in summer. SAE 20 or 30 might be better. That would be somewhere around SAE 60 in the gear oil viscosity ranges. SAE 90 gear oil is the same viscosity as SAE 50 motor oil due to the different viscosity ratings.
As long as it lubricates and doesn't have any compressibility, it will work. A lot of the new ISO hydraulic oils look a lot like motor oils. Mobil DTE 26 is ISO 68 and that is near SAE 20. A lot of light aircraft hydraulic systems still use the old MIL-H-5606 red fluid and that stuff is like SAE 10. It has a tendency to build microbes in it and sometimes the paraffin separates and goes to the bottom of the tank if it sets too long so it's not practical. ATF could also be used but I won't get into that subject. Last edited by rotorwrench; 02-16-2018 at 09:48 AM. |
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I own an 8-N and a 1964 4000diesel I was advised by several folks as well as a ford tractor dealership mechanic who has his own tractor repair shop , He says 30 wt. motor oil in both the rear drive and trans on the 4000 and the 8-N will suffice , I use ford spec fluid from TSC in all of my tractors, the container says all ford tractors before (as I remember 1975 ), I was using 30 wt. oil before the switch to the TSC fluid, no problems so far 25 years and counting , I change my fluids every season.
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Since we are talking about 8N's, I have one in Texas, but my selection of tools there is poor. It is my second home that I visit one a year ( my wife goes more often ). I am looking to find some one in the Mineola Texas area that works on these old tractors. My bad back, and 1 bad hip keep me from doing a lot myself any more. If anyone knows some one in that area, let me know. I do know about Alexander's Tractor repair in Winnsboro, but I do not have a trailer to haul it there, so looking for someone local to Mineola. Thanks, ---Jim
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Are there any New Holland dealerships?
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Mineola is a relatively small town but there is likely a small mom & pop shop around if there is enough regular auto & ag buisiness around there. There may even be some mobile repair guys that work the area from Tyler up to Winnsboro. They use field service trucks and come to your location. Broken tractors are harder to move than running ones even if it is just an 8N.
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rotorwrench, thanks for that idea, I had not thought about a mobile service. ( I should have, I had to do enough of it working on heavy equip. for the State of Alaska ). I will have to check around next time I am down there. you are right about Mineola, It is a small town. Tyler is not even as big as Anchorage , Alaska.. Mineola is about the size of Wasilla, Alaska
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I keep mine inside, as I am only there 2-3 months out of the year. If I left it outside, I probably would not have much left after being gone a few months. I do have a good boot on the shifter.
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