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rotorwrench · 08-12-2015, 12:26 PM

Here is a home fabricated one for Lincoln. Just scroll to post # 27.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t.../#post-7488858
The only thing it could use would be a dust cover for the rocker assembly.

SUHRsc · 08-12-2015, 12:31 PM

Thank you Rotorwrench, looks like a simple solution for a lot less then $275!

Not sure where I will go with all of this information... but I really appreciate everyones replies....

Seems the Lincoln might be the way to go if it can be made to fit in a vehicle nicely.

Thanks!
Zach

Bruce Lancaster · 08-12-2015, 12:44 PM

I think the Lincoln OD is mechanically much cleaner than the Columbia and is probably more durable in stock form. If the rocker setup gets it into the crossmember, that is very interesting! Stock, the Lincoln looks like incompatibility with Ford was a major design objective.

Tim Ayers · 08-12-2015, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotorwrench

Here is a home fabricated one for Lincoln. Just scroll to post # 27.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t.../#post-7488858
The only thing it could use would be a dust cover for the rocker assembly.

Thank you. Maybe I'll hold on to my OD after seeing this.

My trans. does not have the solenoids. Are they expensive or hard to find?

Bruce Lancaster · 08-12-2015, 02:47 PM

Easy to find, expensive...

http://www.fifthaveinternetgarage.co...rive_parts.php

http://www.vintageautogarage.com/Bor...8415odsl12.htm

40 Deluxe · 08-12-2015, 05:23 PM

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rotorwrench · 08-12-2015, 05:52 PM

Many times a person can resurrect one of the old ones by cleaning the contacts that are under the cap. I see them on flea-pay all the time. As was mentioned previously, the 6-volt coils don't seem to mind working on 12-volt.

Frank Miller · 08-12-2015, 07:46 PM

Zach, I have an X frame in my convertible and the transmission is tight. Removing it with the motor requires moving it back into the driveshaft hole, then raising input shaft out of the pressure plate, moving it forward then rotating it a quarter turn as it is lowered. I have a picture but this site is too complicated for me.

Frank Miller · 08-12-2015, 07:47 PM

Guess I got it. It is upside down though.

Mac VP · 08-12-2015, 08:00 PM

The 42-48 LZ overdrive solenoid is essentially the same as the 49-55 six volt solenoids....except for one BIG difference. The plunger is about 3" long versus the 1" plunger on the later types. It also has 3 electrical terminals but that isn't an issue. You have to have the long plunger for the LZ overdrive trans.

Tim Ayers · 08-12-2015, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac VP

The 42-48 LZ overdrive solenoid is essentially the same as the 49-55 six volt solenoids....except for one BIG difference. The plunger is about 3" long versus the 1" plunger on the later types. It also has 3 electrical terminals but that isn't an issue. You have to have the long plunger for the LZ overdrive trans.

Mac

Could one fab up a longer plunger or would that not be possible?

Tim

Frank Miller · 08-13-2015, 05:00 AM

Tim, I do not see why not. The solenoid comes apart and the plunger can be removed. Welding an extension to the shaft or fabricating another one are two solutions.

Mac VP · 08-13-2015, 05:13 AM

Frank may be right. I've never taken one that far apart. I know it's easy to remove the outer cap to clean the contacts.

SUHRsc · 08-13-2015, 05:45 AM

Thanks for the photo, Frank.

Ol' Ron · 08-13-2015, 07:36 AM

And then there's the speed odometer transmission to deal with. Go with the Lincoln

Frank Miller · 08-13-2015, 08:12 AM

If you decide to use the rocker assembly to relocate the solenoid here is something to be aware of. Using the LZ you would just need a longer shaft at the top. The stroke is the same.

Tim Ayers · 08-13-2015, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Miller

Tim, I do not see why not. The solenoid comes apart and the plunger can be removed. Welding an extension to the shaft or fabricating another one are two solutions.

OK, cool. Seems like the later, non-LZ ones can be found. I'd like to pick up the missing pieces, but I don't want to spend $250 a pop on them.

Also, question for trans guru's (Mac VP and others), as unconventional as it sounds, is there a reason why someone can't put in a 28 tooth Ford gear sets into the LZ trans?

Reason thinking is if using a rear ratio like a 3.78, you get the advantage of a little quicker take off, but then to get the added benefit of the LZ OD.

Does that make sense or is my logic off?

rotorwrench · 08-13-2015, 10:05 AM

Using the X-frame adapter or fabricating one like Muffin did on the HAMB, person would just have to fab a longer actuator rod where is extends into the LZ transmission to the locking pawl. The solenoid itself could be a standard Ford or Mercury type part.

You should be able to put Ford input and cluster gears in that case. Now a 29 tooth, I don't know.

Highboy34 · 08-13-2015, 10:31 AM

Good discussion here. Something not mentioned is that Columbias are heavy and add a lot of unsprung weight in the rear end. You may want to adjust your rear shocks to compensate. No issue with the LZ OD.

Tim Ayers · 08-13-2015, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Highboy34

Good discussion here. Something not mentioned is that Columbias are heavy and add a lot of unsprung weight in the rear end. You may want to adjust your rear shocks to compensate. No issue with the LZ OD.

Well, I don't know who much a Columbia weighs, but a LZ trans is no slouch weight-wise either.

08-12-2015, 12:26 PM	#21
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Here is a home fabricated one for Lincoln. Just scroll to post # 27. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t.../#post-7488858 The only thing it could use would be a dust cover for the rocker assembly.

08-12-2015, 12:31 PM	#22
SUHRsc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: near Hershey, PA Posts: 876	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Thank you Rotorwrench, looks like a simple solution for a lot less then $275! Not sure where I will go with all of this information... but I really appreciate everyones replies.... Seems the Lincoln might be the way to go if it can be made to fit in a vehicle nicely. Thanks! Zach __________________ -WANTED- Pre-War Speed Equipment Davies or Morrison Intake Manifold 77-6050B, 81AS - 81SB - 99AS - 99SB 19AS cylinder heads

08-12-2015, 12:44 PM	#23
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia I think the Lincoln OD is mechanically much cleaner than the Columbia and is probably more durable in stock form. If the rocker setup gets it into the crossmember, that is very interesting! Stock, the Lincoln looks like incompatibility with Ford was a major design objective.

08-12-2015, 02:47 PM	#25
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Easy to find, expensive... http://www.fifthaveinternetgarage.co...rive_parts.php http://www.vintageautogarage.com/Bor...8415odsl12.htm

08-12-2015, 05:23 PM	#26
40 Deluxe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: now Kuna, Idaho Posts: 3,779	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) That feller ain't bashful, is he!

08-12-2015, 05:52 PM	#27
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Many times a person can resurrect one of the old ones by cleaning the contacts that are under the cap. I see them on flea-pay all the time. As was mentioned previously, the 6-volt coils don't seem to mind working on 12-volt.

08-12-2015, 07:47 PM	#29
Frank Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn, MA Posts: 2,106	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Guess I got it. It is upside down though. __________________ “The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is true.” ~ Ezra Pound

08-12-2015, 08:00 PM	#30
Mac VP Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,361	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia The 42-48 LZ overdrive solenoid is essentially the same as the 49-55 six volt solenoids....except for one BIG difference. The plunger is about 3" long versus the 1" plunger on the later types. It also has 3 electrical terminals but that isn't an issue. You have to have the long plunger for the LZ overdrive trans. __________________ VANPELT SALES LLC Cincinnati, Ohio Office: 513-724-9486 www.vanpeltsales.com www.classictransmission.com

08-13-2015, 05:00 AM	#32
Frank Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn, MA Posts: 2,106	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Tim, I do not see why not. The solenoid comes apart and the plunger can be removed. Welding an extension to the shaft or fabricating another one are two solutions. __________________ “The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is true.” ~ Ezra Pound

08-13-2015, 05:13 AM	#33
Mac VP Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,361	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Frank may be right. I've never taken one that far apart. I know it's easy to remove the outer cap to clean the contacts. __________________ VANPELT SALES LLC Cincinnati, Ohio Office: 513-724-9486 www.vanpeltsales.com www.classictransmission.com

08-13-2015, 05:45 AM	#34
SUHRsc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: near Hershey, PA Posts: 876	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Thanks for the photo, Frank. __________________ -WANTED- Pre-War Speed Equipment Davies or Morrison Intake Manifold 77-6050B, 81AS - 81SB - 99AS - 99SB 19AS cylinder heads

08-13-2015, 07:36 AM	#35
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,861	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia And then there's the speed odometer transmission to deal with. Go with the Lincoln

08-13-2015, 10:05 AM	#38
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Using the X-frame adapter or fabricating one like Muffin did on the HAMB, person would just have to fab a longer actuator rod where is extends into the LZ transmission to the locking pawl. The solenoid itself could be a standard Ford or Mercury type part. You should be able to put Ford input and cluster gears in that case. Now a 29 tooth, I don't know.

08-13-2015, 10:31 AM	#39
Highboy34 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Boerne, TX Posts: 142	Re: Overdrive - Lincoln vs. Columbia Good discussion here. Something not mentioned is that Columbias are heavy and add a lot of unsprung weight in the rear end. You may want to adjust your rear shocks to compensate. No issue with the LZ OD.