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12-22-2023, 11:23 AM | #1 |
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302 motor ignition point setting?
The points on my 55 wagon quit over the weekend so wagon would not start. It would crank but not start. Power was ok to the coil and also getting to the points ok. So I bought some new points. I cannot remember the point gauge setting on this 302 engine. is it .019 or .021? Does anyone have a tune-up chart for the 1968 ford LTD that I can see and copy for future refference?Thanks for your help.
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12-22-2023, 12:07 PM | #2 |
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12-22-2023, 01:18 PM | #3 |
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Re: 302 motor ignition point setting?
Thank you very much KULTULZ for your help. This is what I needed to finish my job and also to keep for future reference. I noticed where it says that for standard tranny, its .021 but for a automatic tranny, it says .017. Mine is a automatic. Sorry for this question but what does IMCO system mean? It mentions this for a ford 302.
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12-23-2023, 11:35 AM | #5 |
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Re: 302 motor ignition point setting?
My 57 has tripple Holley 94s. The vacuum is straight off the intake. Would the 56 distributors vacuum advance unit work on my car? I'd like to get an advance curve. You can imagine what I have now...
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12-23-2023, 12:32 PM | #6 |
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12-23-2023, 04:24 PM | #7 |
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Yes. I was a member of streetrodding dot com, but someone hacked the site, and when they put everything back together the member board was closed... It's a giant pain some times finding some advice on a topic that is not exactly car specific.
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You should have a DUAL ADVANCE DIST in your '57 (hopefully). If operating off full manifold vacuum, the advance (vacuum) will be operating @ idle and to which point the manifold vacuum drops off. Unless the DIST is curved for that, it should be on ported vacuum (IMO).
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12-24-2023, 05:05 AM | #9 |
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No port(s) on the Holley 94s. Therein lies the reason why I'd like to find a better solution.
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This 3X2 install is on a 57 FORD FYB w H94's and hopefully a 1957/ DUAL ADVANCE DISTRIBUTOR? Can you show a photo of the install? Read Thru This TECH ARTICLE And Get Back - https://www.eatonbalancing.com/2010/...-distributors/
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12-24-2023, 03:38 PM | #11 |
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Re: 302 motor ignition point setting?
Here ya go. Any advice is nice. It has the same dist the car left the factory with in 1957. Been thinking about at least putting an Accell electronic kit in the thing.
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Anywho, that is an OFFY INTAKE correct? The 94's, all three have idle circuits? Are they setup as progressive or all in at once? The modification (vacuum signal) to the carb would only have to be done to the center carb for the ported vacuum signal. If stock DIST, it will be a one piece breaker plate which is getting difficult to find along with the vacuum advance canister. Make sure they work freely before going too far into it (test with vacuum pump to check free movement). I bet that is a bear on the street on manifold vacuum signal only. Do they (carbs) have the LOAD-O-MATIC SPARK CONTROL VALVE(s) in them? Did the TECH ARTICLE help? What is that just at the fuel log, a pressure regulator or filter?
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12-25-2023, 05:18 PM | #13 |
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It is an offy intake. The front and back carbs have no idle circuits. They are not glued shut, those carbs never had the circuits to begin with. No power valves either.
The Dist is from 1957, and has never been changed in any way. So the 1957 dist does not have flyweights? I think the vac adv is sticking. When I drive the car on the highway, if you play around with the throttle the fuel economy changes dramatically. The linkage is progressive. Normal driving is all on the primary carb. Fuel log, pressure regulator, and filter - yes to all three. |
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Isn't this usually the case when "playing around with the throttle" ? Faster you go, the less MPG and off and on the throttle is not the most gas saving method of running.
You might want to adjust the end carbs as they may be coming on board too early.
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Do you have a handheld vacuum pump? Remove the DIST CAP and attach the pump to the vacuum advance and see if the breaker plate advances and returns correctly. Also verify the canister holds vacuum. If the breaker plate is sticking it will give you that sensation. Same if the DUAL ADVANCE DIST is actuated by a LOM SPARK CONTROL VALVE. Throttle return spring(s) have enough tension? Throttle shafts and linkages move freely?
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12-25-2023, 11:36 PM | #16 |
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I do have a hand held vac gun. Yes the throttle linkages works great. It ougt too, I spent enough time on it! LOL
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The install looks really nice. I am still confused (as usual) as to exactly what is at the entry to the fuel log. Is it a pressure regulator and the filter is located somewhere else? Just wondering. Did the TECH ARTICLE on how to modify the carb helpful? It does have a SPARK CONTROL VALVE on the carb body?
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Now it only intensifies the spark, all advance will still be mechanical.
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The article...I do not recall my carb throttle plate having that boss to be tapped I will have to go to the barn and look for that. The modification may be the remidy. Even if I have to send my carb out to have that done. Heck I may attempt it. I am pretty handy, and PATIENT. I have a small drill press, and can make up a guide plate to drill that little hole in the pocket of that existing tubular cavity.
Yes I understand how to check that breaker plate via vacuum advance with my vacuum gun. Guess I always figured that the plate would not move without the engine running. You sound way more knowlegable that me with these, so I can do it as you have suggested. The fuel travels up the hard line from the fuel pump (covered with wire loom wrap - just because I wonder if I should try to keep the heat off of the line). Then through the el-cheapo regulator, 90 degree fitting shoots the fuel over in to the fuel log. The filter is a new cartridge in the bottom of the fuel pump. It's one of those carter dual function ones. Although I have electric wipers. My car runs good, I just feel like it needs some fine tuning. Perfecting the ignition a little seems to me like just the ticket. I sure would like to put a set of Cragar S/S on the thing, and a 5-speed. However, I just hate the thought of another big project. And a transmission swap would no doubt mean a lot of time underneath the thing. |
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The truth is I have no experience with much before 1957. During the period I grew up ... ... fooling with cars was at the introduction of the MUSCLE CAR era. My first car was 60 SUNLINER with a 352-4V. I remember my first look at a H4000 as I reeled in horror. Usually, any car before that was modified to carry an FE. So, unless BETTER CALL MY PAL SAL reads this and can step in, I will be of little help with that carb(s). What little knowledge I have with LOM is helping those with the stock system in a period driver/restoration. Quote:
Have you thought of seeing how much vacuum is generated from the center carb with a vacuum gauge? That will tell you quickly what system you have and whether ported or manifold vacuum. Check to see if the plate moves freely and returns to it's original position. If it sticks anywhere in movement, the DIST needs to go onto the forensics table. Quote:
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When you look at the carb(s) copy any ID casting marks/stamping off of them to hopefully positively identify what you have.
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