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rob63mess · 05-03-2018, 05:55 PM

My 29 phaeton, which I have recently built and am in the process of debugging, is not handling well. it doesn't shimmy and doesn't have excessive play in the steering wheel. Kingpins and bushings have been replaced. It just seems to want to "sway" down the road always needing to be corrected. Any ideas?

Kurt in NJ · 05-03-2018, 06:43 PM

check front wheel "toe"---if it's toe out it will not feel good driving ---and wear tires
a quick "feel" check is to rub your hand across the tread, if in one direction you feel sharp edges, the other direction rounded edges most likely the toe is wrong

briphaeton · 05-03-2018, 07:16 PM

Rear panhard bar.

1crosscut · 05-03-2018, 09:56 PM

Have someone sit in the car and move the steering wheel back and forth each way almost moving the wheels. Have them bump it back and forth while you are under the car looking at each connection on the drag link, tie rods and where the wish bone connect to the underside of the flywheel housing looking for any movement. Check the pitman arm to make sure it is tight to the shaft. Once you get all of the movement out of the parts and pieces re-set your toe in.

W_Higgins · 05-03-2018, 10:16 PM

Get an alignment. A competent and accommodating shop that can bend solid front axles for trucks can properly set the caster and camber on a Model A, which is all too often neglected.

slammin · 05-04-2018, 07:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rob63mess

It just seems to want to "sway" down the road always needing to be corrected. Any ideas?

Do you have 4 working shocks?

Tacoma Bob · 05-04-2018, 09:44 AM

I hope to give a full report of my ongoing and similar issues in the next day or so. It's a very long story and every post above has merit and I did all of the stuff mentioned and more. Something to check is the spring perch nuts. My driver side took two full turns. the passenger side took 3/4 of a turn. I have been on this witch hunt for several years and just last week got it corrected. If you want to give me a phone call PM me for my number. I may be able to share some shortcuts.

rob63mess · 05-04-2018, 11:03 AM

thanks for the replies....I will get the car on a lift and begin trouble shooting. an alignment sounds like a good start.

iverson · 05-04-2018, 12:20 PM

make sure your new king pin bushings are not to tight.

Dick Carne · 05-05-2018, 06:20 AM

I agree with Mr. Higgins above. On my last restoration, I was advised by the alignment shop that the front axle had a slight forward and rearward bend on each side of the axle - not noticeable to look at, but apparently enough to alter their ability to provide a proper alignment without bending the axle back into shape. Fortunately they were set up to bend solid front axles as well (buses, dump trucks, etc.), so after several hours, were able to properly align the front end. Be prepared though to cover the cost of a more expensive type of alignment - in my case it ran somewhere in the $350 - $400 range. I've done this type of alignment with all of my cars, and once completed, there is no "wandering" or excessive tire wear. For years, my '29 phaeton drove well without shocks even (it now has them), so in my opinion, if the front end has been properly rebuilt, there should be no need for panhard bars or other compensating hardware. Good luck with the final finish work on your project.

05-03-2018, 05:55 PM	#1
rob63mess Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: newark ohio Posts: 569	phaeton not handling well My 29 phaeton, which I have recently built and am in the process of debugging, is not handling well. it doesn't shimmy and doesn't have excessive play in the steering wheel. Kingpins and bushings have been replaced. It just seems to want to "sway" down the road always needing to be corrected. Any ideas?

05-03-2018, 06:43 PM	#2
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,159	Re: phaeton not handling well check front wheel "toe"---if it's toe out it will not feel good driving ---and wear tires a quick "feel" check is to rub your hand across the tread, if in one direction you feel sharp edges, the other direction rounded edges most likely the toe is wrong

05-03-2018, 07:16 PM	#3
briphaeton Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 241	Re: phaeton not handling well Rear panhard bar.

05-03-2018, 09:56 PM	#4
1crosscut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 1,909	Re: phaeton not handling well Have someone sit in the car and move the steering wheel back and forth each way almost moving the wheels. Have them bump it back and forth while you are under the car looking at each connection on the drag link, tie rods and where the wish bone connect to the underside of the flywheel housing looking for any movement. Check the pitman arm to make sure it is tight to the shaft. Once you get all of the movement out of the parts and pieces re-set your toe in. __________________ Dave / Lincoln Nebraska

05-03-2018, 10:16 PM	#5
W_Higgins Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Realville, PA Posts: 14	Re: phaeton not handling well Get an alignment. A competent and accommodating shop that can bend solid front axles for trucks can properly set the caster and camber on a Model A, which is all too often neglected. __________________ Walter Higgins

05-04-2018, 09:44 AM	#7
Tacoma Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 1,025	Re: phaeton not handling well I hope to give a full report of my ongoing and similar issues in the next day or so. It's a very long story and every post above has merit and I did all of the stuff mentioned and more. Something to check is the spring perch nuts. My driver side took two full turns. the passenger side took 3/4 of a turn. I have been on this witch hunt for several years and just last week got it corrected. If you want to give me a phone call PM me for my number. I may be able to share some shortcuts.

05-04-2018, 11:03 AM	#8
rob63mess Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: newark ohio Posts: 569	Re: phaeton not handling well thanks for the replies....I will get the car on a lift and begin trouble shooting. an alignment sounds like a good start.

05-04-2018, 12:20 PM	#9
iverson Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: freeport il Posts: 316	Re: phaeton not handling well make sure your new king pin bushings are not to tight.

05-05-2018, 06:20 AM	#10
Dick Carne Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fayetteville, Georgia Posts: 467	Re: phaeton not handling well I agree with Mr. Higgins above. On my last restoration, I was advised by the alignment shop that the front axle had a slight forward and rearward bend on each side of the axle - not noticeable to look at, but apparently enough to alter their ability to provide a proper alignment without bending the axle back into shape. Fortunately they were set up to bend solid front axles as well (buses, dump trucks, etc.), so after several hours, were able to properly align the front end. Be prepared though to cover the cost of a more expensive type of alignment - in my case it ran somewhere in the $350 - $400 range. I've done this type of alignment with all of my cars, and once completed, there is no "wandering" or excessive tire wear. For years, my '29 phaeton drove well without shocks even (it now has them), so in my opinion, if the front end has been properly rebuilt, there should be no need for panhard bars or other compensating hardware. Good luck with the final finish work on your project.