generator not lineing up

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Originally Posted by Gary WA

Removed the pulley compared to others I have looks OK. the belt does wobble and you do notice the offset. Here are some more pics. rotated 180 same look.

Gary,
Can't figure what caused this, but here's what I would do. looking at the center picture,
1- Turn rear mount bracket 180 degrees.
2- Get a longer mounting bolt & mount the generator.
3- Slide it on the bolt until pulley aligns with crank & water pump.
4- Measure space at front of mounting boss & put a solid steel spacer of that thickness there.
5- Measure space at the rear of the mounting boss & put a solid steel spacer of that thickness there.
Ain't original, but it would be strong & nobody would notice. Bill W. (Auto air conditioning shops are a great place to get the steel spacers, they usually have buckets of great miscellaneous parts & stuff!) The Dog just asked me to tell you this.

[jimvette59]

Could it be a long taper pulley on a short taper shaft ?

[Tom Wesenberg]

How is the fan pulley lining up with the crank pulley?

[Gary WA]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

How is the fan pulley lining up with the crank pulley?

The fan pulley is in line with the Generator. seems like the crank is forward of the fan and gen pulley's?

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Gary,
Forget ALL I said, I thought the w.p. & the crank pulley aligned O.K. Back to the drawing board. I can't figure out HOW the crank pulley would be out so much????? There HAS to be a reason/answer. If the pulley keyway missed the key, I wonder if it would be out that far??? Bill W.

[Tom Wesenberg]

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At this point I'd remove the crank startering bolt and see if the pulley is right at the end of the crankshaft.
You said you removed the pulley, but I'd assume the sleeve part of the 2 part pulley remained in place and didn't slip out of engagement with the key. If the sleeve could slip, the front seal would have to be really loose and you'd be leaking oil out the front.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

At this point I'd remove the crank startering bolt and see if the pulley is right at the end of the crankshaft.
You said you removed the pulley, but I'd assume the sleeve part of the 2 part pulley remained in place and didn't slip out of engagement with the key. If the sleeve could slip, the front seal would have to be really loose and you'd be leaking oil out the front.

Tom,
Pic shows rope seal rub marks, it HAS slipped forward, probably stuck against end of crank gear key. Slinger may be off the key also. Bill W.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Tom,
Pic shows rope seal rub marks, it HAS slipped forward, probably stuck against end of crank gear key. Slinger may be off the key also. Bill W.

The alignment misfit would seem to fit the distance of the key not engaged, but if the pulley was that far forward I'd think the V belt wouldn't slip on and off without a problem. Mine just barely slips between the pulley and front crossmember.

I just measured my pulley to crossmember U bolt distance and I have 7/8", so that would allow 1/4" forward movement with no problem. Anyway, I'd remove the bolt and see if the pulley is at the end of the crankshaft, and also grab the pulley with the bolt loose and see if it will spin without turning the engine.

[Gary WA]

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Tom,
Pic shows rope seal rub marks, it HAS slipped forward, probably stuck against end of crank gear key. Slinger may be off the key also. Bill W.

that is a black pen mark I was using to see if it moved out from the keyway.

[Gary WA]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

The alignment misfit would seem to fit the distance of the key not engaged, but if the pulley was that far forward I'd think the V belt wouldn't slip on and off without a problem. Mine just barely slips between the pulley and front crossmember.

I just measured my pulley to crossmember U bolt distance and I have 7/8", so that would allow 1/4" forward movement with no problem. Anyway, I'd remove the bolt and see if the pulley is at the end of the crankshaft, and also grab the pulley with the bolt loose and see if it will spin without turning the engine.

The pulley is approximately 3/8" from the end of the crank shaft and should be only 1/8" from the end of the pulley?

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Gary WA

The pulley is approximately 3/8" from the end of the crank shaft and should be only 1/8" from the end of the pulley?

I think most crank ends are even a little less than 1/8" from the pulley because if the thin oil slinger is left out, that can leave a 2 piece pulley loose.

If you can't grab the pulley and rotate the notch into position so the pulley can be pushed all the way on, then it is probably time to remove the front timing cover to get things lined up.

[Gary WA]

Well I believe the problem was in the second piece of pulley. everything was still in place ok but look at the lengths?Left one on the vehicle,right was off another motor.

[Tom Wesenberg]

I thought the same two parts were used. I don't recall mention of the pulley or sleeve being changed.

[Gary WA]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

I thought the same two parts were used. I don't recall mention of the pulley or sleeve being changed.

The one on the left was on the vehicle with the pulley. The one on the right I just had to compare the two? I ordered a new one from Berts 2 piece.

[columbiA]

For a 2-piece pulley,I prefer the type that screws together with a LH thread.I also use a bit of blue Loctite on the threads.Make sure the slinger is in place & the pulley extends at least .010" beyond the nose of CS.

[Gary WA]

Originally Posted by columbiA

For a 2-piece pulley,I prefer the type that screws together with a LH thread.I also use a bit of blue Loctite on the threads.Make sure the slinger is in place & the pulley extends at least .010" beyond the nose of CS.

Slinger is/was in place awaiting parts from Berts. Thanks.

[Gary WA]

Removed timing cover, discovered the two piece pulley,shaft no 1 was too long replaced with new from Berts-Denver Back in line!

[Jerry in Shasta]

I like the idea that the crank pulley is not indexed with the key on the crank. That might account for a lot of your problems

Jerry

[James Rogers]

This is why I like the one piece pulley. It may be a little harder to get off but it most always lines up. At least you can't get the halves mixed up.

[Gary WA]

Originally Posted by Jerry in Shasta

I like the idea that the crank pulley is not indexed with the key on the crank. That might account for a lot of your problems

Jerry

it was in line with the key, as in #32 it was a longer piece by about 3/8". Up and running tho. Thanks for all the ideas and solutions. Have a Good Day.