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V8COOPMAN · 04-08-2022, 12:33 PM

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These fairly rare, two-piece oil pans have always been 'desirable', and are usually seen with a price tag to prove it. What was the intended purpose that Ford had in mind for producing these specialized oil pans? Coop

Tim Ayers · 04-08-2022, 12:41 PM

To be able to replace a clutch without having to pull the sump portion of the pan.

They were a truck part from what I understand.

Fritz · 04-08-2022, 01:52 PM

That is my understanding as well. For trucks for easier clutch inspection/replacement.

JM 35 Sedan · 04-08-2022, 02:03 PM

It wasn't for removing the clutch and pressure plate as much as it was for being able to remove the flywheel without having to drop the complete oil pan.
In many c&pp replacements, with a one piece oil pan, folks chose not to have the flywheel ground because they did not want to go through the hassle of removing the oil pan with the engine in place, and they definitely did not want to remove the complete engine to take the oil pan off. This resulted in many new c&pp replacements be done half a$$.

Tim Ayers · 04-08-2022, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JM 35 Sedan

It wasn't for removing the clutch and pressure plate as much as it was for being able to remove the flywheel without having to drop the complete oil pan.
In many c&pp replacements, with a one piece oil pan, folks chose not to have the flywheel ground because they did not want to go through the hassle of removing the oil pan with the engine in place, and they definitely did not want to remove the complete engine to take the oil pan off. This resulted in many new c&pp replacements be done half a$$.

Thanks for clarifying. When I say clutch, I mean the clutch assembly and not just the disc

36coupe · 04-08-2022, 02:53 PM

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I’ve got 2 but one is missing the rear section that covers the clutch.

JM 35 Sedan · 04-08-2022, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

Thanks for clarifying. When I say clutch, I mean the clutch assembly and not just the disc

Edited to clarify details on 11" pressure plate:
The 9/9-1/2", 10" clutch and pressure plate ASSEMBLIES can all removed without the need to remove the one piece oil pan & flywheel cover, it's only the flywheel itself and the 11" pressure plate that will not come through that rear opening.

Mart · 04-08-2022, 04:02 PM

No axe to grind here, but as it appears to be a truck thing, even if the flywheel was not changed (or resurfaced) the 11" clutch normally fitted to trucks would other wise need oil pan removal if not for the removeable rear piece.

38bill · 04-09-2022, 11:35 AM

I've played around with different transmissions, flywheels and pressure plates and my 2 piece pan has made the work much easier to do.

JM 35 Sedan · 04-09-2022, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mart

No axe to grind here, but as it appears to be a truck thing, even if the flywheel was not changed (or resurfaced) the 11" clutch normally fitted to trucks would other wise need oil pan removal if not for the removeable rear piece.

Mart, you are totally correct, I just check, and the 11" pressure plate will not fit through the rear opening on the early FH engines with the integral bell housing and one piece oil pan & flywheel housing. That rear opening is ~ 11-1/2", which does allow the 11" clutch disk to go through, but the pressure plate will not go through due to the diameter at the mounting flanges. Only the 9" to 10" c&pp's can be installed without removing the one piece oil pan w/flywheel cover.

Bored&Stroked · 04-09-2022, 04:54 PM

Hell, I'd like to have one . . . but can't justify paying $500+ for one. For that money, I'd modify a stock one, increase the sump capacity and put a windage try in it . . .

V8COOPMAN · 04-09-2022, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Hell, I'd like to have one . . . but can't justify paying $500+ for one. For that money, I'd modify a stock one, increase the sump capacity and put a windage try in it . . .

Dale...Had one sell here on the 'Barn two days ago for $265! Click the link BELOW, post #9. Coop

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308020

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51504bat · 04-09-2022, 09:20 PM

Just sold one to a member over on the HAMB for $150.00 delivered next time I go to Pismo Beach. I had no use for it since I have an 8ba in my '39 p/u. He was happy and I don't have to trip over it in the shop. All is good.

ssffnomad · 04-09-2022, 10:53 PM

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36coupe · 04-10-2022, 05:38 AM

I’ve got one missing the rear piece
The cost of shipping would be more than it is worth from NS
I could probably ship it from stateside next time I go to NH if somebody wanted it.

04-08-2022, 12:33 PM	#1
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,114	TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? . These fairly rare, two-piece oil pans have always been 'desirable', and are usually seen with a price tag to prove it. What was the intended purpose that Ford had in mind for producing these specialized oil pans? Coop __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

04-08-2022, 12:41 PM	#2
Tim Ayers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 6,181	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? To be able to replace a clutch without having to pull the sump portion of the pan. They were a truck part from what I understand. Last edited by Tim Ayers; 04-08-2022 at 01:14 PM.

04-08-2022, 01:52 PM	#3
Fritz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: From Chicago. Now Nashville Posts: 207	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? That is my understanding as well. For trucks for easier clutch inspection/replacement. __________________ Cars and metal rust away and are destroyed, but the Word of God will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35).

04-08-2022, 02:03 PM	#4
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? It wasn't for removing the clutch and pressure plate as much as it was for being able to remove the flywheel without having to drop the complete oil pan. In many c&pp replacements, with a one piece oil pan, folks chose not to have the flywheel ground because they did not want to go through the hassle of removing the oil pan with the engine in place, and they definitely did not want to remove the complete engine to take the oil pan off. This resulted in many new c&pp replacements be done half a$$. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein* Last edited by JM 35 Sedan; 04-08-2022 at 02:12 PM.

04-08-2022, 02:53 PM	#6
36coupe Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Eastcoast Posts: 864	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I’ve got 2 but one is missing the rear section that covers the clutch.

04-08-2022, 04:02 PM	#8
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,755	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? No axe to grind here, but as it appears to be a truck thing, even if the flywheel was not changed (or resurfaced) the 11" clutch normally fitted to trucks would other wise need oil pan removal if not for the removeable rear piece.

04-09-2022, 11:35 AM	#9
38bill Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,166	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? I've played around with different transmissions, flywheels and pressure plates and my 2 piece pan has made the work much easier to do.

04-09-2022, 04:54 PM	#11
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,068	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? Hell, I'd like to have one . . . but can't justify paying $500+ for one. For that money, I'd modify a stock one, increase the sump capacity and put a windage try in it . . .

04-09-2022, 09:20 PM	#13
51504bat Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: SoCal-Redlands Posts: 3,020	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? Just sold one to a member over on the HAMB for $150.00 delivered next time I go to Pismo Beach. I had no use for it since I have an 8ba in my '39 p/u. He was happy and I don't have to trip over it in the shop. All is good. __________________ Making the simple complicated for over 30 years.

04-09-2022, 10:53 PM	#14
ssffnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Upstate N.Y. Posts: 443	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? A Gentleman doing as a Gentleman should.

04-10-2022, 05:38 AM	#15
36coupe Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Eastcoast Posts: 864	Re: TWO-Piece Oil Pan-Advantage/Purpose? I’ve got one missing the rear piece The cost of shipping would be more than it is worth from NS I could probably ship it from stateside next time I go to NH if somebody wanted it.