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Lawson Cox · 02-02-2016, 01:28 PM

Visit this web page. Very interesting.

http://awo.aws.org/category/resource-library/blog/

ReggieK · 02-02-2016, 03:36 PM

Very interesting Lawson, Thanks for posting.
Reggie

1952henry · 02-02-2016, 06:03 PM

Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things.

Tim Ayers · 02-02-2016, 06:09 PM

Well, "weld replacement" adhesives have been around for some time. Back in the '90's-'00's, Lord Fusor was all the rage. They have their place, but there times when nothing beats a quality weld.

Rowdy · 02-02-2016, 06:21 PM

About 6 years ago when I was still working for Monroe and running one of the tubing cutters we had a maintenance guy in his 20's. We had a break down that the only proper repair was to braze the parts back together. I was shocked that he had no clue how to braze. Ended up brazing it myself while he watched. He learned alittle but it seems these skills are no longer taught. I learned how to braze at 8 years old, so consider it one of the most basic skills. While I do not do it often have always been glad I learned. In my current job I solder almost every day. Another one of the skills I learned before I was even old enough to drive. Some skills will always have a place. Rod

Pete · 02-02-2016, 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952henry

Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things.

I wonder how many people read "signatures"?
Your's are 2 of my favorites.

uncle max · 02-02-2016, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

I wonder how many people read "signatures"?
Your's are 2 of my favorites.

Ditto. 10-4. Copy.

tubman · 02-02-2016, 07:52 PM

Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

Pete · 02-02-2016, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman

Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

petehoovie · 02-02-2016, 08:04 PM

1952henry's signatures are the best!!!

uncle max · 02-02-2016, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

Legitimate!

Sixseven · 02-02-2016, 08:04 PM

No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

moefuzz · 02-02-2016, 08:10 PM

That is a good one Henry...

1952henry · 02-02-2016, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sixseven

No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

The "new" economy apparently has no place for the trades since there is a push for "free" college for everyone. The welders at work make almost $40/hour., granted they are certified. That's a bit more than many degrees will get you.

1952henry · 02-02-2016, 09:01 PM

Thanks for the good words, fellas!

Alaska Jim · 02-02-2016, 10:26 PM

I have always been thank for all the "shop" classes I was able to take in high school. it helped me make a pretty good living and enabled me to retire. I don't know when they stopped having these classes. I became aware of it some time in the late 80's. The shop classes enabled me to compete in the 1968 Plymouth trouble shooting contest in Bell Calif. I was in my senior year in high school. I think the educational system is doing a great dis-service to the youth of today by not offering shop classes, and not just automotive classes. I took wood shop , auto shop, and also some leather and lapendary ( sp ? ) classes. not every body wants to be a Dr. or Lawyer, etc.

Diavolo · 02-02-2016, 10:27 PM

Back on topic, can you imagine the old ones around the water cooler when gas welding came out?

"Young whipper snappers have lost the art of forge welding with an anvil and a sledge, like we used to..."

Technology marches on. Just look at the cool stuff we have today. Also, there are still craftsmen who do weld, and still blacksmiths that swing a hammer and operate a forge. There are also some excellent epoxies and bonding agents that do an excellent job for a part that is never intended to be taken apart again.

Frank Miller · 02-03-2016, 08:47 AM

"The most promising application for MesoGlue is as a solder replacement for the room temperature welding of pipes..."

This sentence from the article bothered me as I always understood welding and soldering to be different things. True they both join metals but I view them as different as welding and gluing.
That being said, the metals used in cars today is markedly different than what was used years ago. Some do not take kindly to welding and panels are routinely glued by body shops. The metal does not work as easy either. I can remember brazing being common place in autobody shops but I'm guessing you will not find it today. The cheapness of MIG welders has made it obsolete. Not many can do gas welding either. I know someone who just bought a TIG welder for under a thousand dollars. So far he loves it and is very skilled in the sheet metal craft. He is going to be making a video on tuning a Harbor freight English wheel. He says for the money you can't beat it. When I was a kid his stuff was unheard of.
And lastly the computers have made writers, researchers and philosophers out of all of us.

flatheadmurre · 02-03-2016, 09:19 AM

Glue isnt a bad thing in some aplications but its damn hard to use on anything thats been around for a while, dirt oil and oxide and the bond is not to trust.

itslow · 02-03-2016, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman

Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

Is it really intended to be humor? I guess I "misunderestimated" the context.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952henry

...The welders at work make almost $40/hour., granted they are certified. That's a bit more than many degrees will get you

That's on the high end (upper end of the top 10%). The top paying jobs in the industry are extremely demanding; not something that most people are interested in doing.
http://awo.aws.org/2015/03/show-me-t...cross-the-u-s/

02-02-2016, 01:28 PM	#1
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Visit this web page. Very interesting. http://awo.aws.org/category/resource-library/blog/ __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

02-02-2016, 03:36 PM	#2
ReggieK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Troutman, NC Posts: 119	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Very interesting Lawson, Thanks for posting. Reggie

02-02-2016, 06:03 PM	#3
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,621	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things. __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs. Last edited by 1952henry; 02-02-2016 at 06:13 PM.

02-02-2016, 06:09 PM	#4
Tim Ayers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 6,182	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Well, "weld replacement" adhesives have been around for some time. Back in the '90's-'00's, Lord Fusor was all the rage. They have their place, but there times when nothing beats a quality weld.

02-02-2016, 06:21 PM	#5
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? About 6 years ago when I was still working for Monroe and running one of the tubing cutters we had a maintenance guy in his 20's. We had a break down that the only proper repair was to braze the parts back together. I was shocked that he had no clue how to braze. Ended up brazing it myself while he watched. He learned alittle but it seems these skills are no longer taught. I learned how to braze at 8 years old, so consider it one of the most basic skills. While I do not do it often have always been glad I learned. In my current job I solder almost every day. Another one of the skills I learned before I was even old enough to drive. Some skills will always have a place. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

02-02-2016, 07:52 PM	#8
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,321	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

02-02-2016, 08:04 PM	#10
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,179	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? 1952henry's signatures are the best!!! __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

02-02-2016, 08:04 PM	#12
Sixseven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 482	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

02-02-2016, 08:10 PM	#13
moefuzz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Under A Clean V8 Posts: 228	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? That is a good one Henry...

02-02-2016, 09:01 PM	#15
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,621	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Thanks for the good words, fellas! __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

02-02-2016, 10:26 PM	#16
Alaska Jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Palmer, Alaska Posts: 1,575	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? I have always been thank for all the "shop" classes I was able to take in high school. it helped me make a pretty good living and enabled me to retire. I don't know when they stopped having these classes. I became aware of it some time in the late 80's. The shop classes enabled me to compete in the 1968 Plymouth trouble shooting contest in Bell Calif. I was in my senior year in high school. I think the educational system is doing a great dis-service to the youth of today by not offering shop classes, and not just automotive classes. I took wood shop , auto shop, and also some leather and lapendary ( sp ? ) classes. not every body wants to be a Dr. or Lawyer, etc.

02-02-2016, 10:27 PM	#17
Diavolo Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 67	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Back on topic, can you imagine the old ones around the water cooler when gas welding came out? "Young whipper snappers have lost the art of forge welding with an anvil and a sledge, like we used to..." Technology marches on. Just look at the cool stuff we have today. Also, there are still craftsmen who do weld, and still blacksmiths that swing a hammer and operate a forge. There are also some excellent epoxies and bonding agents that do an excellent job for a part that is never intended to be taken apart again.

02-03-2016, 08:47 AM	#18
Frank Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn, MA Posts: 2,106	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? "The most promising application for MesoGlue is as a solder replacement for the room temperature welding of pipes..." This sentence from the article bothered me as I always understood welding and soldering to be different things. True they both join metals but I view them as different as welding and gluing. That being said, the metals used in cars today is markedly different than what was used years ago. Some do not take kindly to welding and panels are routinely glued by body shops. The metal does not work as easy either. I can remember brazing being common place in autobody shops but I'm guessing you will not find it today. The cheapness of MIG welders has made it obsolete. Not many can do gas welding either. I know someone who just bought a TIG welder for under a thousand dollars. So far he loves it and is very skilled in the sheet metal craft. He is going to be making a video on tuning a Harbor freight English wheel. He says for the money you can't beat it. When I was a kid his stuff was unheard of. And lastly the computers have made writers, researchers and philosophers out of all of us. __________________ “The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is true.” ~ Ezra Pound

02-03-2016, 09:19 AM	#19
flatheadmurre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,045	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Glue isnt a bad thing in some aplications but its damn hard to use on anything thats been around for a while, dirt oil and oxide and the bond is not to trust.