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mercman from oz · 07-05-2023, 05:27 AM

1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57
Does any Ford Barner have a copy of this early Sales Brochure that they could Scan at 300 DPI and email me the pages?
I have a similar brochure with the Print Date 3-58, but would like Scans of this earlier 9-57 Print Date for my Files.
Regards Mercman <><

mercman from oz · 07-05-2023, 08:57 PM

These two 1958 Ford Customs were never released.
They appeared in the original Sales Brochure dated 9-57 but were never released.
Ford hastily released a revised Sales Brochure dated 12-57, then issued a Third updated Sales Brochure dated 3-58.
Has anyone got this original 9-57 Brochure featuring the Base Ford Customs that they can scan for me?

mercman from oz · 10-23-2023, 01:17 AM

Can any Ford Barner help me with Scans of this Brochure, 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300. Print Date 9-57?

KULTULZ · 10-23-2023, 03:52 PM

Here is an informational source that may help if you don't have it -

https://www.oldcarbrochures.com/stat.../dirindex.html

Here is a similar thread which may help -

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330284

mercman from oz · 10-23-2023, 04:31 PM

I am very familiar with the Old Car Brochure Web Site, but they do not show this early brochure with the print Date 9-57. Regards Mercman <><

KULTULZ · 10-23-2023, 04:51 PM

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If the car was listed as a TUDOR BUSINESS SEDAN (70D) (no rear seat - fixed quarter windows), there were only 4,062 released. That would explain most likely why no one remembers seeing one.

- https://classiccardatabase.com/specs...58&model=26483

It was cataloged including FINAL ISSUE MPC.

mercman from oz · 10-23-2023, 10:48 PM

1958 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedan.
I think that this is the model that KULTULZ is referring to with sales of 4,062 units?
Notice the absence of a back seat in the above illustration?

KULTULZ · 10-24-2023, 05:21 AM

Quote:

I think that this is the model that KULTULZ is referring to with sales of 4,062 units?

No, I was thinking it was the one with the trim level being discussed.

Shot down that theory, back to the drawing board ...

mercman from oz · 10-24-2023, 05:49 AM

Base model 1958 Ford Custom Tudor & Business Sedan from the first issue 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Brochure.
This picture is from the Brochure that I am chasing Scans of.
I don't think that Ford would have sold 4,062 units of this model, as I have doubts that it was ever released?

mercman from oz · 10-24-2023, 05:53 AM

Message from Ford dated 9/57 stating that it has the right to discontinue models at any time.

KULTULZ · 10-24-2023, 05:56 AM

Quote:

I don't think that Ford would have sold 4,062 units of this model, as I have doubts that it was ever released?

No, you're right. I thought it was the answer but obviously not.

But the trim level is cataloged and shown in the ILL SECTION but the BODY TRIM LEVELS (70) in the MPC are not that exact.

Let me work on this.

mercman from oz · 10-24-2023, 06:07 AM

Cover of the 1958 Ford Custom 300 Brochure - Revised 10/57
Notice that there is no mention of the Base Custom model.
It merely lists the Custom 300 range

mercman from oz · 10-24-2023, 06:12 AM

Cover of the Original 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Brochure - Dated 9/57

5851a · 10-24-2023, 09:57 AM

Just curious, is there a body code listing for it? Or something in a parts book, shop manual.

KULTULZ · 10-24-2023, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5851a

Just curious, is there a body code listing for it? Or something in a parts book, shop manual.

Yes. I have them above in this thread but so small it is hard to read.

There were three BODY CODES (70), so there were three different trim levels offered.

These are the EXT TRIM LEVELS shown in the BODY/EXT TRIM SECTION of the MPC -

70A (1958) - CUSTOM "300" - TUDOR SEDAN
70B (1958) - CUSTOM "300" - TUDOR SEDAN (Optional Interior Trim)
70D (1958) - CUSTOM "300" - BUSINESS TUDOR

73A (1958) - CUSTOM "300" - FORDOR SEDAN
73B (1958) - CUSTOM "300" - FORDOR SEDAN - Optional Interior Trim

mercman from oz · 10-24-2023, 04:59 PM

The Body Codes 70 and 73 listed above are for the upper level Custom 300.
As it appears that the base Custom models were never released, was there a Body Code number issued for these models?

KULTULZ · 10-24-2023, 06:46 PM

All three trim levels were catalogued as CUSTOM "300", both 2DR and 4DR.

FINAL EDITION 1964 and REVISED SEP 1960 EDITION both show the DISCUSSED TRIM LEVEL as being 70A.

The TRIM level being discussed was also offered on the RANCH WAGON and RANCHERO.

You would need a 1st 1958 QUARTER EDITION of the 1949/1959 MPC to see exactly how they were cataloged originally.

5851a · 10-25-2023, 12:12 PM

Thanks

KULTULZ · 10-26-2023, 08:04 AM

I don't know or can/can't say whether the TRIM LEVEL was or was not not built, but from what I see in the MPC is that it was at some point.

If it was a misprint or error in printing (MPC - initial printing), it surely (don't call me Shirley) would have been caught and corrected before FINAL ISSUE.

My inability to properly post images correctly doesn't help as others can't see what I see (which may be a blessing to others).

What has to be realized is that these brochure illustrations come from an art department.

OH!

Forgot what I was going to say ... damn CRS ...

KULTULZ · 10-26-2023, 08:15 AM

Remembered ...

The BODY TYPE CHART shows 70A, 70B and 70D (TUDOR).

The EXT TRIM ILL only shows 70A as the trim level being discussed. The other two ILL's (3 in total - TUDOR) show only 70 with no ALPHA CHARACTER behind them.

KULTULZ · 11-15-2023, 02:44 PM

I come to you with a heavy heart (get 'em TACO BELL) ...

I was running through my funny pages and came across this -

I did not mark the source of the info @ the time I saved it (as usual) but it seems MERCMAN is correct as the page shows BODY CODE(S) 70A and 70D as CUSTOM and the 70B as CUSTOM 300.

And it makes perfect sense to me.

MERCMAN sunk my battleship ...

mercman from oz · 11-16-2023, 12:00 AM

1958 Ford Custom 300 Tudor Sedans - Subtle differences between Early and Late Production
PS - The Bottom illustration is the Early one, while the one with less trim shown at the top is the later one

KULTULZ · 11-16-2023, 10:05 AM

Damn this is confusing ... Any chance of PRINT DATES on those brochures?

The first should be IMO 70A (CUSTOM) while the second should be 70B (CUSTOM 300).

mercman from oz · 11-16-2023, 06:21 PM

KULTULZ - To answer your question, the brochure showing the added trim is dated 9/57 while the illustration showing less side trim is from the brochure dated 12-57

KULTULZ · 11-17-2023, 08:06 AM

!!! THANX MERCMAN!!!

Have come across another quandary in the MPC -

- 1958 CUSTOM 300 SPECIAL -

You know this is going to drive me completely crazy, right?

mercman from oz · 11-17-2023, 05:48 PM

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I started collecting old car brochures around 30 plus years ago.
I used to buy them from Jay Ketelle from Amarillo, Texas.
When Ford offered their full size automobiles with two different wheelbases in 1957, I then discovered that I needed a brochure for the Custom series and one for the Fairlane series for the years 1957 and 1958.
Back then, as I had two brochure for these two years, I thought that I had a complete set. How wrong I was.
I have since learned that there are three Ford Customs and three Ford Fairlane Brochures for 1957.
They are basically the same but are revised with different Print Dates.
Then for 1958, there are actually four Ford Custom Brochures, and three Fairlane Brochures.
So, all up for just these two models for these two years, there are actually 13 different brochures.
My original collection of four falls far short of the target of 13.
This count doesn't include the Station Wagons or the Folder showing all the full range of cars available.
As this Thread is about the 1958 Ford Custom series, these are the Print dates:- 9/57, 10/57, 12/57 and 3/58.
So you can see how complicated it gets. I hope that you 1958 Ford Enthusiasts have learnt something about Brochures for these years.
Regards Mercman <><

BLACKNRED · 11-20-2023, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

1958 ford custom 300 business sedan.
I think that this is the model that kultulz is referring to with sales of 4,062 units?
Notice the absence of a back seat in the above illustration?

here's one my son owns
photo's are about 6 years apart
Original colour was green, 6cyi 3 on the tree, now 390, top loader

mercman from oz · 11-20-2023, 04:25 AM

Before & After shots of BLACKNRED's sons 1958 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedan,
Photo's are about 6 years apart
Original colour was green, 6cyi 3 on the tree, now 390, top loader

BLACKNRED · 11-20-2023, 08:33 PM

58 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedan

BLACKNRED · 11-21-2023, 12:22 AM

Here you go
58 Summer Special trim

mercman from oz · 11-21-2023, 12:24 AM

I changed the description to read Business Sedan.

mercman from oz · 11-21-2023, 12:28 AM

Rear lacks a back seat in the 1958 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedans

07-05-2023, 05:27 AM	#1
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Does any Ford Barner have a copy of this early Sales Brochure that they could Scan at 300 DPI and email me the pages? I have a similar brochure with the Print Date 3-58, but would like Scans of this earlier 9-57 Print Date for my Files. Regards Mercman <><

07-05-2023, 08:57 PM	#2
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 These two 1958 Ford Customs were never released. They appeared in the original Sales Brochure dated 9-57 but were never released. Ford hastily released a revised Sales Brochure dated 12-57, then issued a Third updated Sales Brochure dated 3-58. Has anyone got this original 9-57 Brochure featuring the Base Ford Customs that they can scan for me?

10-23-2023, 01:17 AM	#3
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Can any Ford Barner help me with Scans of this Brochure, 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300. Print Date 9-57?

10-23-2023, 03:52 PM	#4
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Here is an informational source that may help if you don't have it - https://www.oldcarbrochures.com/stat.../dirindex.html Here is a similar thread which may help - https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330284 Last edited by KULTULZ; 10-23-2023 at 04:05 PM. Reason: THE USUAL

10-23-2023, 04:31 PM	#5
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 I am very familiar with the Old Car Brochure Web Site, but they do not show this early brochure with the print Date 9-57. Regards Mercman <><

10-23-2023, 04:51 PM	#6
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) If the car was listed as a TUDOR BUSINESS SEDAN (70D) (no rear seat - fixed quarter windows), there were only 4,062 released. That would explain most likely why no one remembers seeing one. - https://classiccardatabase.com/specs...58&model=26483 It was cataloged including FINAL ISSUE MPC.

10-23-2023, 10:48 PM	#7
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 1958 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedan. I think that this is the model that KULTULZ is referring to with sales of 4,062 units? Notice the absence of a back seat in the above illustration?

10-24-2023, 05:49 AM	#9
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Base model 1958 Ford Custom Tudor & Business Sedan from the first issue 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Brochure. This picture is from the Brochure that I am chasing Scans of. I don't think that Ford would have sold 4,062 units of this model, as I have doubts that it was ever released?

10-24-2023, 05:53 AM	#10
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Message from Ford dated 9/57 stating that it has the right to discontinue models at any time.

10-24-2023, 06:07 AM	#12
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Cover of the 1958 Ford Custom 300 Brochure - Revised 10/57 Notice that there is no mention of the Base Custom model. It merely lists the Custom 300 range

10-24-2023, 06:12 AM	#13
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Cover of the Original 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Brochure - Dated 9/57

10-24-2023, 09:57 AM	#14
5851a Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: NE Iowa Posts: 1,664	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Just curious, is there a body code listing for it? Or something in a parts book, shop manual.

10-24-2023, 04:59 PM	#16
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 The Body Codes 70 and 73 listed above are for the upper level Custom 300. As it appears that the base Custom models were never released, was there a Body Code number issued for these models?

10-24-2023, 06:46 PM	#17
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 All three trim levels were catalogued as CUSTOM "300", both 2DR and 4DR. FINAL EDITION 1964 and REVISED SEP 1960 EDITION both show the DISCUSSED TRIM LEVEL as being 70A. The TRIM level being discussed was also offered on the RANCH WAGON and RANCHERO. You would need a 1st 1958 QUARTER EDITION of the 1949/1959 MPC to see exactly how they were cataloged originally. __________________ *** - WHY IS IT ... - ... that everything you buy in the grocery store is either wrapped in or contained in plastic but the government doesn't want you to carry it out in a plastic bag? WONDERING IN W(BY GOD)V ... DIAGNOSED CDO** - (OCD In Correct Alphabetical Order) Last edited by KULTULZ; 10-24-2023 at 07:01 PM.

10-25-2023, 12:12 PM	#18
5851a Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: NE Iowa Posts: 1,664	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Thanks

10-26-2023, 08:04 AM	#19
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 I don't know or can/can't say whether the TRIM LEVEL was or was not not built, but from what I see in the MPC is that it was at some point. If it was a misprint or error in printing (MPC - initial printing), it surely (don't call me Shirley) would have been caught and corrected before FINAL ISSUE. My inability to properly post images correctly doesn't help as others can't see what I see (which may be a blessing to others). What has to be realized is that these brochure illustrations come from an art department. OH! Forgot what I was going to say ... damn CRS ... __________________ *** - WHY IS IT ... - ... that everything you buy in the grocery store is either wrapped in or contained in plastic but the government doesn't want you to carry it out in a plastic bag? WONDERING IN W(BY GOD)V ... DIAGNOSED CDO** - (OCD In Correct Alphabetical Order) Last edited by KULTULZ; 10-26-2023 at 08:20 AM.

10-26-2023, 08:15 AM	#20
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Remembered ... The BODY TYPE CHART shows 70A, 70B and 70D (TUDOR). The EXT TRIM ILL only shows 70A as the trim level being discussed. The other two ILL's (3 in total - TUDOR) show only 70 with no ALPHA CHARACTER behind them.

11-16-2023, 12:00 AM	#22
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 1958 Ford Custom 300 Tudor Sedans - Subtle differences between Early and Late Production PS - The Bottom illustration is the Early one, while the one with less trim shown at the top is the later one Last edited by mercman from oz; 11-16-2023 at 06:17 PM. Reason: Adding description details.

11-16-2023, 10:05 AM	#23
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,475	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Damn this is confusing ... Any chance of PRINT DATES on those brochures? The first should be IMO 70A (CUSTOM) while the second should be 70B (CUSTOM 300).

11-16-2023, 06:21 PM	#24
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 KULTULZ - To answer your question, the brochure showing the added trim is dated 9/57 while the illustration showing less side trim is from the brochure dated 12-57

11-17-2023, 05:48 PM	#26
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I started collecting old car brochures around 30 plus years ago. I used to buy them from Jay Ketelle from Amarillo, Texas. When Ford offered their full size automobiles with two different wheelbases in 1957, I then discovered that I needed a brochure for the Custom series and one for the Fairlane series for the years 1957 and 1958. Back then, as I had two brochure for these two years, I thought that I had a complete set. How wrong I was. I have since learned that there are three Ford Customs and three Ford Fairlane Brochures for 1957. They are basically the same but are revised with different Print Dates. Then for 1958, there are actually four Ford Custom Brochures, and three Fairlane Brochures. So, all up for just these two models for these two years, there are actually 13 different brochures. My original collection of four falls far short of the target of 13. This count doesn't include the Station Wagons or the Folder showing all the full range of cars available. As this Thread is about the 1958 Ford Custom series, these are the Print dates:- 9/57, 10/57, 12/57 and 3/58. So you can see how complicated it gets. I hope that you 1958 Ford Enthusiasts have learnt something about Brochures for these years. Regards Mercman <><

11-20-2023, 04:25 AM	#28
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Before & After shots of BLACKNRED's sons 1958 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedan, Photo's are about 6 years apart Original colour was green, 6cyi 3 on the tree, now 390, top loader Last edited by mercman from oz; 11-21-2023 at 12:20 AM. Reason: Changed Description

11-20-2023, 08:33 PM	#29
BLACKNRED Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: adelaide australia Posts: 165	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 58 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedan

11-21-2023, 12:24 AM	#31
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 I changed the description to read Business Sedan.

11-21-2023, 12:28 AM	#32
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,376	Re: 1958 Ford Custom & Custom 300 Sales Brochure. Print Date 9-57 Rear lacks a back seat in the 1958 Ford Custom 300 Business Sedans