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uk woodie · 05-02-2016, 03:21 PM

Hi all, today i started the A as normal, however a loud clunk and the engine did not seem to turn over as smoothly from then on, engine runs fine, no noise or leaks, runs well, and starts ok just seems slightly less powerful, (could just be my imagination) took it on a 20 mile run no problems.

it is still on 6vlt. Any ideas? Thank you in advance.

Mitch//pa · 05-02-2016, 03:27 PM

Do you start it with the advance lever all the way up?

uk woodie · 05-02-2016, 04:16 PM

I start it with the lever down, I think it is on upside down as the light lever is at the top so yes I think its right..

Mitch//pa · 05-02-2016, 04:23 PM

I don't see how it can be upside down...

fredski · 05-02-2016, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uk woodie

I start it with the lever down, I think it is on upside down as the light lever is at the top so yes I think its right..

If your light lever is at the top ,it's very unlikely your advance lever ,is opposite
as well. Can't be.

CarlG · 05-02-2016, 04:37 PM

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You can actually clock your light switch any way you want it. That doesn't change the advance or throttle positions.

uk woodie · 05-02-2016, 04:53 PM

ok, so i need to start with the lever up, i will try that, would it have caused a clunk, or a bang?

Dave in MN · 05-02-2016, 04:59 PM

Yes. It very likely backfired against the starter drive and that is the noise you heard. Careful, this can cause severe damage.

The spark advance lever (left lever) should be all the way up when you start the engine. Lower the spark lever to advance the engine after it is running.

Good Day!

Mitch//pa · 05-02-2016, 05:00 PM

It can cause the starter to kick back... Always start in the retard / up position,, then move it down some .. Read through this owners manual

http://www.motormayhem.net/wp-upload...ion-Manual.pdf

uk woodie · 05-02-2016, 05:01 PM

GREAT, thanks guys. (what damage could it cause, what should i check to make sure its not too late?) Thanks again.

Bruce Adams · 05-02-2016, 05:06 PM

When I RAISE / RETARD my lever, the unit in the distributor (plate) goes towards the right side of the car.
Lowering the lever/ Advancing it moves/ rotates it towards left side of car.

Synchro909 · 05-02-2016, 05:57 PM

UKWOODY,
Does your name mean you are in the UK? If so, is your car RHD? If so, it is entirely possible that the advance lever does work the other way around.
On RHD cars, there is a bell crank mounted on a boss cast into the inlet manifold. If you connect the rods the wrong way 'round, advance is up and because one arm is longer than the other, you can't get full advance.

Mitch//pa · 05-02-2016, 06:02 PM

Here is woodies car L/HD

Tom Wesenberg · 05-02-2016, 07:19 PM

That's a nice looking woody.

Synchro909 · 05-02-2016, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

Here is woodies car L/HD

OK, In that case, what I said doesn't apply and what you guys said, does.

Tom Wesenberg · 05-02-2016, 10:47 PM

I would pull the starter and check it for damage. The spring may have been bent from kickback or the shaft might be bent.

tbirdtbird · 05-02-2016, 11:36 PM

Agree

uk woodie · 05-03-2016, 01:12 AM

Thank you one and all very much.

05-02-2016, 03:21 PM	#1
uk woodie Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 29	Starting noise Hi all, today i started the A as normal, however a loud clunk and the engine did not seem to turn over as smoothly from then on, engine runs fine, no noise or leaks, runs well, and starts ok just seems slightly less powerful, (could just be my imagination) took it on a 20 mile run no problems. it is still on 6vlt. Any ideas? Thank you in advance.

05-02-2016, 03:27 PM	#2
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Starting noise Do you start it with the advance lever all the way up?

05-02-2016, 04:16 PM	#3
uk woodie Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 29	Re: Starting noise I start it with the lever down, I think it is on upside down as the light lever is at the top so yes I think its right..

05-02-2016, 04:23 PM	#4
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Starting noise I don't see how it can be upside down...

05-02-2016, 04:37 PM	#6
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,115	Re: Starting noise Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) You can actually clock your light switch any way you want it. That doesn't change the advance or throttle positions. __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

05-02-2016, 04:53 PM	#7
uk woodie Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 29	Re: Starting noise ok, so i need to start with the lever up, i will try that, would it have caused a clunk, or a bang?

05-02-2016, 04:59 PM	#8
Dave in MN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jordan, MN Posts: 1,411	Re: Starting noise Yes. It very likely backfired against the starter drive and that is the noise you heard. Careful, this can cause severe damage. The spark advance lever (left lever) should be all the way up when you start the engine. Lower the spark lever to advance the engine after it is running. Good Day!

05-02-2016, 05:00 PM	#9
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Starting noise It can cause the starter to kick back... Always start in the retard / up position,, then move it down some .. Read through this owners manual http://www.motormayhem.net/wp-upload...ion-Manual.pdf

05-02-2016, 05:01 PM	#10
uk woodie Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 29	Re: Starting noise GREAT, thanks guys. (what damage could it cause, what should i check to make sure its not too late?) Thanks again.

05-02-2016, 05:06 PM	#11
Bruce Adams Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northport, NY Posts: 1,597	Re: Starting noise When I RAISE / RETARD my lever, the unit in the distributor (plate) goes towards the right side of the car. Lowering the lever/ Advancing it moves/ rotates it towards left side of car.

05-02-2016, 05:57 PM	#12
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: Starting noise UKWOODY, Does your name mean you are in the UK? If so, is your car RHD? If so, it is entirely possible that the advance lever does work the other way around. On RHD cars, there is a bell crank mounted on a boss cast into the inlet manifold. If you connect the rods the wrong way 'round, advance is up and because one arm is longer than the other, you can't get full advance. __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

05-02-2016, 07:19 PM	#14
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Starting noise That's a nice looking woody.

05-02-2016, 10:47 PM	#16
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Starting noise I would pull the starter and check it for damage. The spring may have been bent from kickback or the shaft might be bent.

05-02-2016, 11:36 PM	#17
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: Starting noise Agree __________________ '31 180A

05-03-2016, 01:12 AM	#18
uk woodie Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 29	Re: Starting noise Thank you one and all very much.