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Old 05-03-2021, 07:16 AM   #1
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Hi,

I bought a flathead engine for my 35 Ford. According to the previous owner, the engine is perfect.

The engine is running. But smokes when I let go of the gas. Idle is good and when I accelerate it is also good but when I let go of the throttle it smokes a little bit.

In a modern engine I would say, 100% the valve seal.
But in flathead I am not sure. hard for oil to run uphill

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Old 05-03-2021, 07:21 AM   #2
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background noise someone is working on a power washer.

https://youtu.be/yechlf8-PFI

https://youtu.be/FzqTwk3ppfo

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Old 05-03-2021, 07:42 AM   #3
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On an engine with similar symptoms the cure was to add a can of any 'no-smoke' product and run normally. (Rislone, etc. ) (don't over-think it)
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Old 05-03-2021, 11:16 AM   #4
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Have you run it up to temp to be sure your not seeing water vapor? Is it spitting water?

Do a compression check at operating temp throttle wide open.

I didnt see any blowby in the second video.
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Old 05-03-2021, 12:47 PM   #5
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Engine vacuum will draw oil up through loose guides. Don't think it's worth worrying about.
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Old 05-03-2021, 01:35 PM   #6
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That might have split guides with no seals. I agree not to worry about it
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Old 05-03-2021, 04:29 PM   #7
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Thank you!

I'm not worried about it....
but prefer not to have the engine smoke. even if I want to sell the car. and the engine is not in the car yet so if it is easy to fix, I prefer to do this.
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Old 05-03-2021, 06:33 PM   #8
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no it is not an easy fix, lot of work to do that job. run compression, check for vacuum flutter indicating bad or stuck valves
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:43 PM   #9
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It is a lot of work as you'd have to pull the heads, pull out all the valve assemblies, switch them over to the later 49-53 guides, valves, retainers, etc - and do a complete valve job for the whole new valve train. Then you can put seals into the later solid guides.
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Old 05-03-2021, 09:07 PM   #10
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loose split guides, but do a compression check . The engine was properly run in, not on an engine stand?
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Old 05-03-2021, 09:18 PM   #11
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That's just gotta be a homemade oil filler tube, right? Looks like a smokestack on a diesel engine. LOL
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If it has good compression, run the crap out of it. Any motor continually run on a stand without load, will carbon up. Till it's in a car running down the road it's a guessing game.


Flatheads will leak a little oil. They were built in the 30s, They are meant to run, don't over think it.
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Old 05-04-2021, 01:59 AM   #13
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Lawson, I think you will find that is the correct 1934 only oil filler tube, the cap however is a later year.
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:48 AM   #17
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thanks for your comments.
I also try not to overthink it but I have 3 flatheads and all 3 of them don't smoke.
So it would be nice if this one doesn't smoke either.

I checked the valves. These all go up and down ...

below the compression test.
But if the engine needed a ring job then the engine suffered more from blowby right?



Looks like the split guides are still there indeed.




is this amount of oil normal here?

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Those compression numbers are pretty low and the valley area looks like it was not recently rebuilt (based on sludge), so my guess is that the engine is a bit tired and the rings are worn. If it was mine and I had the time/money, I'd probably go through it.
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Old 05-04-2021, 05:00 AM   #19
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Are those honest numbers,,,,?
This engine will be a real dog with compression like that .
I would seriously consider a rebuild,,,,,,at least clean,,,ring,,,,and valve job .
29 psi is non existent almost .
The engine looks good from the outside,,,,,,but it needs attention on the inside for you to be happy with it .

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Old 05-05-2021, 03:11 AM   #20
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X 2 with B&S.Its tired. the PO said it was "perfect" but forgot to add 2 words "for rebuild".
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