So confusing

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

After reading several posts recently, I often shake my head and wonder what some folks use to determine the proper name for an item on the Ford Model-A. For example, would someone 'in the know' please tell me which one of these letters in the picture below is what Ford called the Dash Assy.

[Jemelton#]

I vote for "B"

[MickeyT]

B gets my vote. It's just way smaller than we are used to.

[denniskliesen]

A is dash, B is instrument panel.

[Oldbluoval]

"A is dash, B is instrument panel." But not sure I'm a "in the know" guy!!!!

Agreed

[redmodelt]

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A dash rail b instrument panel. I am not sure if those are correct because I do not have the Ford parts book in front of me. The proper name is what Ford called them, which is ?

[lindy williams]

"B" is called the instrument panel.

[1928Mik]

Lindy is correct...

[Jim M]

Interesting. I don't know if the panel that the instruments are on is part of the "A" - but that is what I would call the "dash board". I agree the "B" is the instrument panel.

[JRShaw]

"B" would be called the instrument cluster -or- instrument panel IMHO. Just sayin, guys.

[160B]

A - Dashrail - RG&JS page 12-18 Revised 2016

B - Instrument panel - RG&JS page 6-1 Revised 2016

[Tom Wesenberg]

Speaking of calling parts by their right name, every book and every person I know of has always called the rod that connects the pitman arm to the steering arm, the DRAG LINK. Go onto the Studebaker site, and they guys will jump all over you and say "no, it's the reach rod". Oh well, it's still a drag link in my book.

[FRANK PKNY]

A would go witha

[H. L. Chauvin]

A. The original French word for an automobile Dashboard found in older dictionaries may seem odd today.

B. In Model T and old cars English manuals a fender is called a mud guard; in French, auto manuals, a mud guard is <une garde-boue>.

C. Next, all European horse drawn buggies had a vertical panel placed on the front of buggies near one's feet to prevent horse manure from falling into one's buggy, so this panel, in French, was called <une garde-crotte>, or a nicer English translation, a manure guard.

D. Some of the first experimental European cars were made with buggies where the instruments were installed on the buggy's front vertical panel; hence, it became known in English as a Dash Board; but in French, the dash board, was referred to as <une garde-crotte>.

E. Seems if one ever travels to old French Indo-China, old French Equatorial Africa, Senegal, Cote d'Ivoire, Morroco, the old former Belgium Congo, Belgium, parts of Lebanon, France and other areas, these Model A owners would very probably select the above picture "A" for the correct Dashboard.

But, just a Semi-World-Wide experience and opinion if one wants to check it out while traveling.

[Tom Wesenberg]

A is the dash.

Here's another example: the condenser is more correctly called a capacitor, but will always be known as a condenser to most car people.
Any why isn't the coil called by it's correct name, a transformer?
In electronics a coil can be anything from a choke to an air core turn of a few windings of wire.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

If you HAVEN'T worked in the automobile repair trade, it's HARD to use the proper TERMINOLOGY.
Bill W.

[mike657894]

I say A. I would call it a dash panel and then a gauge pod. but as far as what I name things if I dont have the proper name i just type out what will hopefully communicate what I mean so someone can correct me.

[duke36]

Ford's original Instruction Book that came with the cars called 'B' simply the "Instrument Panel".

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by 160B

A - Dashrail - RG&JS page 12-18 Revised 2016

B - Instrument panel - RG&JS page 6-1 Revised 2016

Actually, even the nomenclature in the RG&JS is incorrect on A. The proper name for that piece is the Rail (Belt -Front) or Front Belt Rail Panel. You are correct on the A-11805 panel.


As for the proper location of the A-35328-* Dash Assembly, open the PDF file below.


Thanks for playing along everyone, and hope you found this educational!
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[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

As for the proper location of the A-35328-* Dash Assembly, open the PDF file below.

Nah, that's the firewall.

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by H. L. Chauvin

A. The original French word for an automobile Dashboard found in older dictionaries may seem odd today.

B. In Model T and old cars English manuals a fender is called a mud guard; in French, auto manuals, a mud guard is <une garde-boue>.

C. Next, all European horse drawn buggies had a vertical panel placed on the front of buggies near one's feet to prevent horse manure from falling into one's buggy, so this panel, in French, was called <une garde-crotte>, or a nicer English translation, a manure guard.

D. Some of the first experimental European cars were made with buggies where the instruments were installed on the buggy's front vertical panel; hence, it became known in English as a Dash Board; but in French, the dash board, was referred to as <une garde-crotte>.

E. Seems if one ever travels to old French Indo-China, old French Equatorial Africa, Senegal, Cote d'Ivoire, Morroco, the old former Belgium Congo, Belgium, parts of Lebanon, France and other areas, these Model A owners would very probably select the above picture "A" for the correct Dashboard.

But, just a Semi-World-Wide experience and opinion if one wants to check it out while traveling.

And the British call the hood a bonnet, the trunk a boot, and the rumble seat a dicky!

[George Miller]

dicky is real close I would think.

[dansluck]

pass me a spanner please.

[pooch]

I would call A the upper dash rail, and even the upper inner dash rail.

And the front of the gas tank panel that is behind the intrument panel.....just the dash.

I got the knickers in a twist of one dude in the HAMB a while back.

I called the term "tailshaft" .

He said it was a a driveshaft and shouted words to the effect.....this was a USA site, and I had better talk in his language.

I argued the point, that over here, a drive shaft is a front wheel or rear wheel half shaft that protrudes out from the differentials.

We call your "driveshaft " a tailshaft or a propeller shaft to differentiate .

He got real pissed and said I was the first guy who he ever put on the ignore list.

I still chuckle about that.

[Licensed to kill]

Originally Posted by pooch

I would call A the upper dash rail, and even the upper inner dash rail.

And the front of the gas tank panel that is behind the intrument panel.....just the dash.

I got the knickers in a twist of one dude in the HAMB a while back.

I called the term "tailshaft" .

He said it was a a driveshaft and shouted words to the effect.....this was a USA site, and I had better talk in his language.

I argued the point, that over here, a drive shaft is a front wheel or rear wheel half shaft that protrudes out from the differentials.

We call your "driveshaft " a tailshaft or a propeller shaft to differentiate .

He got real pissed and said I was the first guy who he ever put on the ignore list.

I still chuckle about that.

Some people get bent over the slightest, unimportant things. The guy that sold me my first model A has been working on and playing with model A's his whole life (he was 72 at the time) and called what Brent has labeled "B" the "monkey face". The guy who had a caniption over "tailshaft" would have a coronary over "monkey face" I suspect.

[Drive Shaft Dave]

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Originally Posted by 160b

a - dashrail - rg&js page 12-18 revised 2016

b - instrument panel - rg&js page 6-1 revised 2016

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[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Again, while it is fun to listen to the different terminology used around the country, this thread was about Ford's nomenclature. Ford's nomenclature was the same no matter whether this was a US manufactured Model-A, --or an export model.

[NCRebel]

I believe the instrument panel (labeled B in the photo) can also be called the "dash assy." because of the parts that are included within the unit. There is the ignition, amp-meter, speedometer and gas gauge contained as a package. This is attached to the dash and covered by the dash board (labeled A in the photo).

This is my best guess as someone that expects the common name of some object to be different in other parts of the country.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by NCRebel

I believe the instrument panel (labeled B in the photo) can also be called the "dash assy." because of the parts that are included within the unit. There is the ignition, amp-meter, speedometer and gas gauge contained as a package. This is attached to the dash and covered by the dash board (labeled A in the photo).

This is my best guess as someone that expects the common name of some object to be different in other parts of the country.

I started this out to be a fun little exercise to learn a little trivia but in true Fordbarn fashion, it took a departure from the topic at hand, so we'll chase this rabbit a bit. Again, I find this is often a problem when working with different folks from different parts of the country (-or world) here trying to determine what part they are working on, however there was only one proper name for each item when Ford made the item no matter whether the vehicle was for sale in England, Michigan, or wherever. To be blunt, why don't we all (hobbyists, car owners, Judging Stds. writers, Parts Dealers, Fordbarn posters, et/al) try to refer to and use correct nomenclature for each item?

[Synchro909]

I think the differences in terminology used when referring to cars changes over time. If one of us went back to 1928 and referred to this or that by its current name, we would probably get lots of blank looks from the people of the day.
To add to the variety, terminology varies greatly between countries. Sometimes it is easy to see how a term came to be used, other times not. For example, lug and lug nut. Where did that come from? I had to look up the meaning of those when I first heard them. We call them wheel stud and wheel nut. No confusion. Same for a Zerk (WTF is that!) for grease nipple.
Some that seem to have changed over time are "ring gear" which used to be on the flywheel but you guys refer to the crown wheel (in the diff) by that name now. Split pins have become cotter pins. The list goes on and on and like has been said above, some get their pink panties in a twist over the most trivial of things.
Amusing thread!

[redmodelt]

The Ford body parts list show the firewall as being the "Dash". The belt rail has two different names in that book depending on if it's an open or closed car, but they are similar.

[ursus]

If you follow the Fordbarn long enough you will become familiar with the range of automotive terminology used around North America and the Commonwealth. If you can't become comfortable with all the variations, then you have a problem that only you can deal with.

[H. L. Chauvin]

Different names of auto parts throughout the World may be interesting for some:

I have worked alongside several foreign mechanics in several foreign countries from the 1960's through the 1980's.

Also rebuilt several American made & foreign made engines in foreign countries, bought new diesel engines and gasoline engines, as well as bought American made engine parts from foreigners in foreign countries.

If one just walks in and asks a foreign parts dealer or a foreign mechanic for an engine valve, a spark plug, or an engine crankshaft, using our typical English terminology, my past experiences have been that this was about equal to asking for auto parts from a typical American Auto-Zone salesman in Ancient Greek.

[Jim Huseby]

Oh well. This problem with experience and correct nomenclature (lack of) will only get worse and more irksome with time; even though many of us are dedicated to keeping and preserving knowledge and correct terminology on its deserved high platform. One misnomer that particularly irks me is calling a wheel a "rim". Later "T"s had de-mountable rims on their wooden wheels. Model A's have WHEELS, and their outer rims are not separate unless you chop the all the spokes away.

[Marshall V. Daut]

Don't even get me started on "Model A" versus "A Model"!!! It seems that the term "A Model" is/was used more frequently in the South than elsewhere. Considering Ford called his new car a "Model A" in all advertising (besides "The New Ford"), how in the world did a large portion of the geographic United States manage to reverse the word order to "A Model"?
Marshall, Yankee Boy

[redmodelt]

Lots of old timers call the T, "T Model".

[700rpm]

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[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Worked YEARS on Jaguar, lots of unusual nomenclature names--LOL & tryin' to communicate with the Service Reps' THICK British Brogue!
Also worked at a Citroen' dealer, talkin' to those 2 French Reps was QUITE a chore! They came in an Older type Citroen' that looked like a SECTIONED '34 Ford Fordor. Like the POLEEZE Cars, in a French Movie!!
Working in a wrecking yard, I learned to "translate" lots of PARTS NAMES, like: Do Hickey & Thing-a-ma-Bob!
When Parts Interchange books came out, they were a BIG help, also.
Bill Jackofallsilliness?

[Jeff/Illinois]

I guess it's kinda like in Illinois you drink a can of 'pop', but once in Minnesota a waitress asked me if I wanted a 'soda' ??? I thought she meant a glass of water with baking soda?? Huh

And in Germany if you want a 'pop' you ask for a Coke. An orange Fanta was an 'orange Coke'.

Plus all they had in Germany was Coke. Pepsi ya gotta go to Belgium. But I did find my favorite Dr. Pepper in Luxembourg tasted weird though I think it was a Coke in a Dr. Pepper bottle.

[Licensed to kill]

Originally Posted by Jim Huseby

One misnomer that particularly irks me is calling a wheel a "rim". Later "T"s had de-mountable rims on their wooden wheels. Model A's have WHEELS, and their outer rims are not separate unless you chop the all the spokes away.

I find it interesting (and funny) what insignificant things can grind ones gears. For me, it's when people say "RPM's" when it's actually "RPM". Insignificant and I know what they mean but to me it screams "automotive ammature". As far as the rim/wheel thing, I usually call them wheels but have/do call them rims as well. never really thought about it before but you make a great point. For me it will be wheels exclusively from now on. I don't mind quirky nicknames, like my previous example of "Monkey face" or referring to a distributor as a "dizzy" but I don't like terms that are intended to be actual but are just wrong, like rim and RPM's.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Every point made above is valid , HOWEVER a point that can be made is we seem to strive towards restoration and authenticity here, -so why not at least strive towards calling an item by its proper name?

Think about this for a moment. It is not a problem to call Henry (who I just realized is now banned ) by his correct name, -or Jeff or Marshall by their correct name, ...but imagine the responses I would get if I were to call Jeff by another name such as Bill or Marshall simply because I think that name better suits him. The same might be said for any other person. If Jeff was in a crowd of Fordbarn people and I call-out or address him as 'Mike', would you not agree that this would cause confusion? I am guessing that everyone in that group would expect me to call Jeff by his correct name so there would not be any confusion and would even correct me. To even further this, we seem to have no problem calling a car a car, a truck a truck, --and we don't call a refrigerator a stove, so why do we not take the same position with calling Model-A parts by their proper name? Just food for thought. Have a great day everyone!!

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[Licensed to kill]

What if you are calling him Jeff and he is OK with that, perhaps even prefers it, but his given name is actually Jeffery?. Maybe he even HATES the name Jeffery and that is why he goes by Jeff, do you call him Jeffery because that is the proper name on his birth certificate?. More food for thought.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Licensed to kill

What if you are calling him Jeff and he is OK with that, perhaps even prefers it, but his given name is actually Jeffery?. Maybe he even HATES the name Jeffery and that is why he goes by Jeff, do you call him Jeffery because that is the proper name on his birth certificate?. More food for thought.

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[Jeff/Illinois]

Actually, in the small farm town I live in and the surrounding towns, NOBODY goes by a 'name' everybody has a nick name they picked up along the line. And everybody seems to know it. If you mention somebody by their actual name you draw a blank stare they don't know who you mean.

Off hand we have Gomer-Rasty-Leonard-Willie-Dr. Leo-Smuttly-BushHog-Ruben-Gizmo-TooTall-Peasy-Turbo-Drano-Darwin-Packy-Booty-Cap'n-Chief-Spud-Dusty-Sarge-Shorty-Belt Buckle-Sideshow-Hippie-Cooner-Manny-Redneck and numerous Butch's-Junior's-JR's- and Mooses and I'm just starting there are many many more.

So a Model A part can be numerous 'names! Or is that A Model-A Bone-Oogie-Babbitt Pounder-----

[txkhog]

How difficult a "car" can also be an "automobile"

[katy]

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Anyone else use the word "glovey" instead of glove compartment?

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Chief sed, "Call me ANYTHING, as long as you call me for SUPPER"!
Once, he invited someone for DINNER, the Guy showed up at LUNCH!--LOL
Chiefs' Son

[Licensed to kill]

Your handle says "Bill Williamson" but could just as easily be "William Billson".

[cpf240]

The mixing up of flywheel and flexplate always bugs me...

As well as an engine that won't start "turns over but doesn't crank"...

[pooch]

One guy at a swap meet always calls me Bruce.

It is not my name, but after correcting him about 6 times at swap meets over the years, I just answer to it now.

A bit of a gag, when I am walking with someone else and he says HI, Bruce, and I say Hi back..

This topic is just wayy too serious.

[1ton]

motor = engine ?

[Gyrodoc]

"A" is the Dashboard. Remember the song. "Surrey With the Fringe on Top."
"The wheels are yellow, the upholstry's brown
The dashboard's genuine leather
With Isinglass curtains you can roll right down
In case there's a change in the weather."

[burner31]

Parts is parts

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Originally Posted by Licensed to kill

Your handle says "Bill Williamson" but could just as easily be "William Billson".

Licensed to Kill,
Are you James Bond in disguise? Screwing around with WORDS is great fun I practice on the Dog, in our LOOOONG conversations!
Will Billiamson

[Licensed to kill]

Originally Posted by bill williamson

licensed to kill,

will billiamson

lol

[tiger.1000]

Dash board, dash panel, dash assembly. Call it what you want but you're all wrong !!!!

The dash is EVERYTHING BETWEEN the two doors, below the windscreen and above the knees !

Shame on you !

[40 Deluxe]

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Chief sed, "Call me ANYTHING, as long as you call me for SUPPER"!
Once, he invited someone for DINNER, the Guy showed up at LUNCH!--LOL
Chiefs' Son

You city guys! Here's how it is in the real world (Midwest farm country). You got up in the morning and ate BREAKFAST, worked 'til noon and ate DINNER. Then you worked and did chores until 6, went in and ate SUPPER. When you were harvesting and had the neighbors helping, you served them LUNCH (sandwiches and lemonade) at mid-morning and again mid-afternoon. Calling the evening meal "dinner" was for sissified city folk!
Everybody has heard of the "Last Supper". Whoever heard of the "Last Dinner"?

[pj's junkers]

AMEN on supper

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by pj's junkers

AMEN on supper

X2

And there is no such ting as "brunch".
It's a late breakfast, then dinner, then supper.

[Larry Jenkins]

Gettin' to sound like the "experts" over on Ahooga..

Step in, Ryan..

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by Marshall V. Daut

Don't even get me started on "Model A" versus "A Model"!!! It seems that the term "A Model" is/was used more frequently in the South than elsewhere. Considering Ford called his new car a "Model A" in all advertising (besides "The New Ford"), how in the world did a large portion of the geographic United States manage to reverse the word order to "A Model"?
Marshall, Yankee Boy

I always wondered why my father-in-law insists on calling my Model A an "A Model". He is from Arkansas. Now I know...

[Licensed to kill]

Originally Posted by tiger.1000

Dash board, dash panel, dash assembly. Call it what you want but you're all wrong !!!!

The dash is EVERYTHING BETWEEN the two doors, below the windscreen and above the knees !

Shame on you !

Uh,....it's called a "windshield". If it was a screen the wind would go right through it.

[Randy in ca]

Scan from the April 1, 1932 Ford Body Parts List. (Maybe it was an April Fool's spoof!!):

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[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Randy in ca

Scan from the April 1, 1932 Ford Body Parts List. (Maybe it was an April Fool's spoof!!):

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I don't get what you are suggesting as the April Fools?

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Brent,
Those were GOOD pics for studying the body stuff!
Bill W.

[Mike V. Florida]

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Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

I don't get what you are suggesting as the April Fools?

I guess he did not open your pdf.

[Elcastor]

Maybe Henry made a mistake!

[jdpalmer]

A is called the dash rail and b is called instrument panel look in all parts books

[1930-Pickup]

Ransom E. Olds knew the answer to this one in 1901 when he decided to design a car with a Curved Dash

[daveymc29]

I agree with REO, but call (A) Dash panel and (B) instrument panel, or instrument cluster. A dash should go from one side to the other of a cars body and the instrument panel is found many different locations over the years, often in or near the Dash.