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07-12-2020, 04:10 PM | #1 |
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Off shore adjustable lifters
I know we have beat this to death on other threads but thought I would post couple pictures of how these off shore lifters fail .
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I am fortunate to have access to a hardness (Rockwell) tester. The recent set I'd tested (form Red's) found three of sixteen very soft (junk) . They would not have held up for very long whatsoever.
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What did Red's say?
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I have trouble keeping these in stock all the time we sell so many. I would just add a bit more info here while we're on the lifter subject. It's extremely important to use the proper break-in lube, we use ONLY "moly" lube here, on the lobes and the lifter faces. After the initial break-in it's also necessary to run some higher-end oil, not the kind you find in the typical Walmart type stores? Thanks, Gary in N.Y. P.S. Here's a few shots of the lifters and the lube. We just recently began supplying a small container of the lube with every 16 lifters!
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I have to replace these lifters so the question is who’s .
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Looks like you missed Gary's post by a minute.. as above ^^^^
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Do you test the ones you use?
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Haven't had one single "bad" lifter so far from "Topline" so no real reason to check them. First time I have an issue that would change things really quick! Thanks, Gary in N.Y. P.S. I did just check Reds website, really doesn't state original "Johnson" lifters, it does however say Johnson "style" lifters . We've been warning customers for years now about buying/using Johnson "style" lifters. The few I've had come in here (supplied by customers) were definitely "off-shore".
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07-13-2020, 10:23 AM | #10 |
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I used to buy my lifters from Collens & Lery in BP conn. One day I went into the shop and ordered a set. The counterman said"That will be 20 dollars" I said" at this rate they'll be 50 dollars before you know it". They had bee $12.50 set
I believe gary's lifters are the same as the originals, the only difference is the value of the money???????? |
07-13-2020, 10:36 AM | #11 |
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GOSFAST: I still have the old box my original Johnson lifters came in in 1970. Two wrenches
were included. Next time you order lifters from "Topline" please inquire as to whether they were formerly "Wolverine". Just curious. Would be neat to know. Is "Topline" located at the old Wolverine address or city? |
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Why even fool with adjustables? Ford didn't use them, and original lifters rarely fail and weight a lot less.
For me I can grind valves for non adjustables much quicker than I can adjust those pesky adjustables. |
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No damage to cam (Max 1) check valve spring pressure seems good.
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We became good friends with Harry Krummery, the engineer at the Blue-Racer division of Wolverine! It's all a really long story! Thanks, Gary in N.Y. P.S. I put a couple shots below here of the catalog showing the Flathead lifter number, VT-2032, even back then we were buying the lifters by the trays, 92 to a tray, and the original "Johnson" tappet catalog! Hope you can make it out! These lifters back in 1994 cost us $3.70/ea. I still have much inventory on the shelf from them including the aluminum cam gears, part #TG-2702.
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Are you sure those solid body lifters are off shore? Reason I ask the only off shore lifters I have seen are hollow copies of the Johnson lifter. The solid lifters I recall were US made. Anyone else know for sure if the solid lifters are offshore? Ronnieroadster
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GOESFAST, Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to answer my question. I feel better now, knowing Topline is an excellent replacement.
I don't remember if the original "Johnsons" were flat or did they have a slight crown. Are the Topline lifters flat or crowned? I do still have an old set of Johnsons lifters that are ground with a slight radius. Is that good, bad or desirable only with certain cams? Thanks, Jim in FL |
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Don’t know either way who’s lifters they are . When I saw the lifter face and after checking spring tension I draw to a fast conclusion “My bad “ I don’t see any sign of any wear on the cam lobe . This lifters is flat on top , I thought they should have a slight dome , doesn’t that create The lifter to spin or is it the cam lobe grind that make the lifter spin . Hell I don’t know just a old Harley Guy having fun with these Flathead
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They also have the a radius on the adjusting nuts as well where they contact the valve stem. This is most likely done to keep the point-of-contact between the stems and the adjusting nuts to a minimum, makes it less important where "alignment" would be an issue?? Thanks, Gary in N.Y. P.S. On side note almost all cam lobes are ground with a taper to correspond with the lifter radius! Again, this keeps everything "spinning" so to speak! The only lifters (I believe) without a radius were used on the old "Nailheads"?? One of the cam guys up here may know for sure? This photo from Isky's catalog may help understand what's occurring?
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