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08-27-2011, 07:32 AM | #41 |
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Re: Anyone tried a Nu-Rex timing wrench?
I haven't yet used the tool but it seems if a person doubted that the points wouldn't be in the correct position, they could easily watch the points while moveing the wrench and stop at what ever point that they were satisfied was correct if they didn't trust the recommended tool position. Just my thought.
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08-27-2011, 08:19 AM | #42 |
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Dreamworks: I read all your posts and respect the wisdom and experience you share here with us BUT I believe this tool DOES work.
If you go back and read posts for the last 6-12 months there are many new model A neophytes here. This is a no brainer tool. Find the timing mark, adj points, loosen cam screw, insert tool, turn 2 turns c/wise. Tighten screw. DONE JMO Paul in CT No dis-respect meant to the neophytes, we all were once upon a time. |
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08-27-2011, 08:57 AM | #43 |
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I am not pointing fingers at anyone specifically but sadly as I have followed this thread, I have come to the realization the real underlying problem with our hobby is US. To many hobbyists, because they seemingly have the inability to "problem solve" as a mechanic, they look to a 'tool' as a cure-all to make up for their inadequacies. In addition to that, hobbyists resist taking time to study the original manual and Service Bulletins ...in essence choosing not to read the real instructions first.
Look above at all the people who have stated they do not see a need for this and compare it to their track-record of advice they have given here over time. Also, think about the Will's, the Marco's, et/al and determine if they see "the need" in using this for their engines. I think you already know the answer! If I am reading what has been posted above correctly, folks are trying to use this "problem solving" tool as a means to correct excessive Drive Gear backlash, worn or improperly made Dist. Cams, worn Distributor bushings, aftermarket Distributor Bodies, and so on. If the distributor cam lobes are worn where the ignition points do not open at exact 90 degree intervals, --or if the dist plate is loose within the body, this tool will not cure those issues. The same applies to the "backlash" many engines experience. Please take the time to fix the underlying problem(s) FIRST and see if you don't get a performance gain without using this tool!! Please don't try to convince us who have taken the time to study how a component works, and then made the effort to bring everything within proper tollerances & specifications that a tool such as this is a 'must have' for our tool box. If it had been, ...wouldn't KR Wilson have manufactured one many years ago for Ford mechanics to use? Now on the other hand, if we were talking about swapping to an alternator ......... . |
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08-27-2011, 12:30 PM | #45 |
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Luke, I've got to agree. That one takes the cake!
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08-27-2011, 12:54 PM | #46 |
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James can pour his own babbit. I think that speaks for it self. |
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James' post did give me a good laugh tho, so the post had some value. |
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08-27-2011, 03:58 PM | #49 |
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I am not trying to drive more business my way and never said anything to that effect! I also, didn't say the tool doesn't work, I said it is a waste of money!!! If you learn how to set the timing like it was intended to be set you won't need this snake oil wrench.
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08-27-2011, 04:32 PM | #50 |
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I agree that a tool like this is a waste of money for some folks. But I didn't start this thread for the benefit of experienced mechanics. I asked about this tool for the benefit of those, like myself, who are less knowledgeable or less mechanically inclined.
I'm trying to learn all I can. That's why I'm participating on this forum. But if there are easier ways of performing some tasks, then I'm interested in learning those ways as well. Just because Henry didn't do something a certain way doesn't make it wrong. If I were to mow my lawn using the "original" method, I'd be using a push reel mower and it would probably take me 6 hours to do it all. Instead, I choose to use a riding mower. I save time and end up with a pretty good job, maybe not as good as with a push reel mower, but good enough. Likewise, if I can quickly and accurately set my timing with a slick tool and end up with a pretty good job, why is that bad? It's not bad, it's just different. |
08-27-2011, 05:26 PM | #51 |
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I had thought about buyiing one of these but I went out yeaterday and tried Marco's way of setting the points and timing and it worked great! Give it a try, it is the best and does the job.
http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/timing.htm
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If I want to get dissed for wanting to do something like an alternator, overdrive, down draft carb, or simply a $10 tool that makes my life easier, I guess I can continue to hang out here. |
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08-27-2011, 05:51 PM | #54 | |
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While I do not know you, I truly believe that if you (--or anyone else) were to apply the money you would spend on this tool towards the purchase of a set of Factory Service Bulletins and use them as "pleasure reading", I honestly believe you will find that with a small box of tools, a willing spirit, and the knowledge you have garnered from that book you can capably tackle any task necessary to have a good running Model A. Again, these vehicles were used successfully in a time before torque wrenches, dial indicators, and ignition analyzers were invented. It is only our misguided mindset that tells us these items are necessary in today's environment. . |
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08-27-2011, 07:12 PM | #56 |
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08-27-2011, 09:10 PM | #57 |
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Just out of curiosity, how many times per week, month, year, decade (choose your time frame) do you time your cars. To be fair, lets tell whether original or upgrade points or electronic ignition. As I mentioned before, I set my Pertronix once a rebuild. In this case 11/16/2010.
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08-28-2011, 10:08 AM | #58 | |
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Naw, no need to post a picture of the oscilloscope, since it can't be used to set timing. It does do a good job of showing the function of the coil, condenser, points, and plugs, and can show the degradation of carbon plugs wires, if someone decided to use them with the other style cap. I hadn't heard of this Nurex tool to set the timing before I read this thread, but I understand how it works. It saves you from having to set the timing lever to the top of the quadrant (something you should do anyway before each start), and it saves you having to see exactly when the points are ready to open. |
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08-28-2011, 10:52 AM | #59 |
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Interesting post to say the least. Wasnt going to comment but i guess i have to after 65 replys.
Why wouldnt you want the timing on your model A engine to be "perfect "? Mark exact TDC when the engine is apart , adjust all timing linkage to be tight and smooth ( or run a automatic advance distributor) and then use this tool to adjust point opening to be perfect in time with the rest of the adjustments??? After 30 years at Newport i can tell ya that the fast Model As have the timing perfect and the slower ones dont ... |
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1) Define "perfect"? 2) How "fast" will your Model A be at Newport when you use this tool to set the ignition timing to TDC and run it up the hill timed at TDC? Correct me if I am wrong but all this tool does is find TDC and set the dist. cam to break open the points at TDC. Since most Model A distributers have a manually controlled advance, as soon as the spark control lever is moved, I doubt anyone has a clue as to the total amount of advance they have then! And, since most people do not have a centrifugal advance distributor this tool can be used upon, AND that centrifugal distributor has not been set-up by a great ignition shop (such as Bubba's), ...again what purposeful use is this tool that cannot be achieved the Ford authorized way? Also, what happens when this tool is used to check the points opening/breaking position on each of the other 3 cylinders? What if they don't break open at exactly TDC like #1 was set to open?? .. . Now if NuRex had a tool to adjust valve to tappet clearance by piston position, THAT could make a smoother running, more powerful Model A engine!! . |
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