Ford 1933

[Matej1991]

Please can someone tell me why the 1933 Ford Victoria or Fordor Sedan are not as often for sale as the 1934 Ford? I saw only one Ford 1933 Fordor Sedan for sale in a year.

[SoCal32]

I wasn't around then but I've heard plenty of stories about front sheetmetal and grille swaps back in the day. Lots of 33s converted to 34s as well as 35s to 36s. People wanted to latest redesigned look.

[34fordy]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

Please can someone tell me why the 1933 Ford Victoria or Fordor Sedan are not as often for sale as the 1934 Ford? I saw only one Ford 1933 Fordor Sedan for sale in a year.

1933 production---254,350
1934 production---776,879 about 3 times as many

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by SoCal32

I wasn't around then but I've heard plenty of stories about front sheetmetal and grille swaps back in the day. Lots of 33s converted to 34s as well as 35s to 36s. People wanted to latest redesigned look.

If people were to change parts, they would not be able to change the wheelbase.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by 34fordy

1933 production---254,350
1934 production---776,879 about 3 times as many

I don't think it has anything to do with production. With Victoria, the production was small, but with Fordor Sedan, it had to be the largest.

[Bob C]

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Why would you think it has nothing to do with production.
Vickies 1933 4193
Vickies 1934 20,083


https://www.conceptcarz.com/s10892/ford-model-40.aspx

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by Bob C

Why would you think it has nothing to do with production.
Vickies 1933 4193
Vickies 1934 20,083


https://www.conceptcarz.com/s10892/ford-model-40.aspx

According to the book I have, 40,540 Deluxe Fordor Sedan 1933 were produced in the USA. And as you wrote, only 20,066 Victoria from 1934, which is half as many, but Victoria from 1934 is more often for sale than Fordor Sedan from 1933.

[SoCal32]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

If people were to change parts, they would not be able to change the wheelbase.

Not saying 33s were changed to 36s. 35s were changed to 36s

[DavidG]

Whoa! First of all, the best selling body type in both model years was the Tudor sedan. Second of all, no definitive records exists as to the number of '33 models produced or as to the number of '34 models produced regardless of body type because Ford did not keep its records separating the two, unlike in all other pre-WWII model years. The figures cited above are calendar year production figures, not model year production figures. There were significantly more '34 models produced than those figures indicate for two simple reasons. First, 1933 model production did not start until well into January, 1933 and second, 1934 model production started in October, 1933.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by SoCal32

Not saying 33s were changed to 36s. 35s were changed to 36s

The 1933 Ford had 106" and 112" wheelbases but in 1934 they only had 112".

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Whoa! First of all, the best selling body type in both model years was the Tudor sedan. Second of all, no definitive records exists as to the number of '33 models produced or as to the number of '34 models produced regardless of body type because Ford did not keep its records separating the two, unlike in all other pre-WWII model years. The figures cited above are calendar year production figures, not model year production figures. There were significantly more '34 models produced than those figures indicate for two simple reasons. First, 1933 model production did not start until well into January, 1933 and second, 1934 model production started in October, 1933.

I bought a Ford Model A Convertible Sedan of which less than 5000 were produced. But even those are more for sale than the 1933 Ford. I don't know if this information is correct but the 1933 Ford had 2 models. Model 18 and Model 40 so the search will be even more difficult.

[DavidG]

Model 18 was the '32 model year designation. Those production figures are not mixed in with those for the Model(s) 40.


Mate191,


You're mixing apples and oranges. The United Kingdom only model 14 with its carryover '32 chassis with a wheelbase of 106" was produced in both 1933 and 1934. Its production figures are not mixed in with those of the Model(s) 40 (112" wheelbase) in the Ford production statistics.

[Matej1991]

So the 106" wheelbase was in 1933 and 1934 in Europe. And the 112" was in the US?

[DavidG]

No, Both the Model 14 and the Model 40 were sold side by side in 1933 and 1934 in the United Kingdom. The Model 14 was not sold outside of the United Kingdom. Its existence can be attributed to the draconian horsepower tax imposed there.



Both versions of the 1933 and 1934 Model 40s were sold worldwide during 1933 and 1934 and in some countries beyond the 1934 calendar year.

[highbeams]

thanks for the wheelbase posts -

[Matej1991]

Model 40 and Model B because 1933 and 1934 also had 4 cylinders, was the wheelbase the same? And if the wheelbase is solved then why are there so few 1933 Fords for sale? Certainly more than 5,000 units of both the Victoria and the Fordor Sedan were produced.

[mercman from oz]

1933 and 1934 Ford Cowls compared. As has been mentioned, a lot of 1933 Fords have been changed to 1934 models. However, the Cowls are different between these two models. Check out this photo, and you will see that the indent for the rope anti-rattler stops way shorter on the 1934 model. That is not counting the tab on the 33 Ford and the hole on the 34 Ford for keeping the hood closed.

[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

1933 and 1934 Ford Cowls compared. As has been mentioned, a lot of 1933 Fords have been changed to 1934 models. However, the Cowls are different between these two models. Check out this photo, and you will see that the indent for the rope anti-rattler stops way shorter on the 1934 model. That is not counting the tab on the 33 Ford and the hole on the 34 Ford for keeping the hood closed.

Thank you sir. Can you please tell me if this difference in the cowl is on both sides or only on the passenger side as in the photo. Thank you.

[deuce lover]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

Model 40 and Model B because 1933 and 1934 also had 4 cylinders, was the wheelbase the same? And if the wheelbase is solved then why are there so few 1933 Fords for sale? Certainly more than 5,000 units of both the Victoria and the Fordor Sedan were produced.

Wheelbase is the same for 4 cyl and V8.

[Graham Freeman]

Both sides the same.

[mercman from oz]

Remember that the V8 engine models have a longer Torque Tube than the 4 cylinder engine models. Refer to the following dimensions.

1933 – 1934 Ford Torque Tube Lengths:-
TORQUE TUBES '33/'34
V8 = 61-13/16"
4-cyl = 60-3/16"

DRIVE SHAFTS '33/'34
V8 = 60-5/32"
4-cylinder = 58-7/16"

[Matej1991]

I looked at pictures of 1934 Fords that were sold but none had the 1933 cowl.

[tubman]

Re : Sales figures. When a car is sold, the sales is recorded with the year of the car's registration, not what year it looks like.

[DavidG]

Whether or not some '33s were produced '34 grilles and hoods is pure speculation. There would be at least twelve different parts involved in such a "switch" and only a review of the engineering releases for each and every one of those parts is necessary to support even the possibility, let alone the cowl modification noted above.


Unfortunately, the Benson Ford Research Center remains closed to the public and until it reopens, this question cannot be resolved with documented evidence.

[Matej1991]

I am interested in why Ford 1933 is not for sale so often. Not in how many units were produced.

[DavidG]

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The former is a matter of speculation, the latter an attempt to deal in facts. You should Google the words "statistical sampling" and read what constitutes a "statistically significant sample" and with respect, your sample of observations will likely fall thousands below that threshold.

[ronn]

I don't think it has anything to do with production.




depression depression depression. 33 is the rarest yr for just about any make and model of car. doesnt matter if its ford chevy plymouth etc.


most 33s are rarer then 1932.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Matej1991

I am interested in why Ford 1933 is not for sale so often. Not in how many units were produced.

The mathematics involved here is not overly difficult for most folks to understand. With far fewer '33s produced than '34s, it stands to reason that there would be far fewer '33s that have survived the past NINETY years. Plus, it stands to reason that '34 Fords have always SEEMED to be more popular than '33s. One definite possibility is that a relative newcomer (yourself possibly?) to the old Ford hobby just does not have the experience and or knowledge to know where and how to look for prospective examples of each year that might happen to be for sale at any given time. As an example of that idea, I have bought and sold an untold number of vintage Fords and Corvettes over the past nearly SIXTY years. Out of all of those examples that I have bought over the years, I can remember ONLY ONE 1940 Ford coupe that I purchased as the result of a published advertisement. What I'm saying here is that many collector cars change ownership as a result of 'WORD OF MOUTH' advertising, having never been associated with 'ADVERTISED-FOR-SALE' print ads.

Coop

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[Matej1991]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

The mathematics involved here is not overly difficult for most folks to understand. With far fewer '33s produced than '34s, it stands to reason that there would be far fewer '33s that have survived the past NINETY years. Plus, it stands to reason that '34 Fords have always SEEMED to be more popular than '33s. One definite possibility is that a relative newcomer (yourself possibly?) to the old Ford hobby just does not have the experience and or knowledge to know where and how to look for prospective examples of each year that might happen to be for sale at any given time. As an example of that idea, I have bought and sold an untold number of vintage Fords and Corvettes over the past nearly SIXTY years. Out of all of those examples that I have bought over the years, I can remember ONLY ONE 1940 Ford coupe that I purchased as the result of a published advertisement. What I'm saying here is that many collector cars change ownership as a result of 'WORD OF MOUTH' advertising, having never been associated with 'ADVERTISED-FOR-SALE' print ads.

Coop

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Yes, you're right. I don't have several years of experience selling cars. But I work in a company in Europe where we are looking for cars for people who want to own a beautiful car. We specialize in cars after 1946. I remember we had a gentleman here who was looking for a 1953 Corvette. They were looking for a car for him for 3 years when he gave up, so it was found and 2 years later we sold 4x Corvettes from 1953. The big problem is that when you call the seller and say that you are outside the US, so most people have a problem with it, that's why we have agents who will buy the car. My opinion is that the Fordor Sedan with V8 from 1933 is certainly not a rarer car than the 1953 Corvette and more of them were produced than the Victoria, but the problem is that people don't want to sell them and if they do, it's at a ridiculous price.