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Old 01-20-2019, 10:04 AM   #41
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Yes! That exactly what I was told to do. Plus, the head was off and the water neck was off the block. I was able to heat the left side of the cylinders externally. ( inside the water jacket) Because the temperature was at freezing and the block was cold, so I was nervous about heating it in just one place (Actually 4) This method was recommended to me by an old timer, sadly, it did not work, this time! I might try again today (Weather reports are for 58 degrees) If I can't loosen the rings this way, It will point strongly to the bind being the bearings.
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I like the 'heating of the cylinders'... what did you do?take a torch to the side of the block?amazing..
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:19 AM   #42
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Terry,
Since the head is off can you tell if any of the cylinders were sleeved? A friend had an engine with very few miles after a rebuild and one of the sleeves was pulled down enough to cause the engine not to turn. The engine shop had not pinned the sleeve but I believe he does so now. Just another thing to check.
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:40 AM   #43
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Yes! That exactly what I was told to do. Plus, the head was off and the water neck was off the block. I was able to heat the left side of the cylinders externally. ( inside the water jacket) Because the temperature was at freezing and the block was cold, so I was nervous about heating it in just one place (Actually 4) This method was recommended to me by an old timer, sadly, it did not work, this time! I might try again today (Weather reports are for 58 degrees) If I can't loosen the rings this way, It will point strongly to the bind being the bearings.
Wish me luck!
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DO NOT HEAT THE BLOCK!!!ford grey iron castings do not have good memory,you could completely destroy it. The correct solution is to slowly disassemble and put your finger on the issue.using 'old time' methods were ok when you could buy another car for 15 bucks if it didn't fix the issue..even if your 'free it' theres is no guarantee you fixed the problem,and you can make it a whole lot more expensive if you continue 'blind'..save whats left of your 5k investment,tear it down and fix it correctly while its still hopefully small.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:44 AM   #44
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Lot's of suggestions from the group! Also lots of questions! At this point, this engine really needs to be removed, disassembled, to actually get to the source of the tightness! Lots of work but also, the way to discover the issue.
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:02 PM   #45
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If any rings had welded themselves to the cylinder walls, it would be obvious with the heads off. Heating the block would be futile!
You've already spent more time messing around than it would take to drop the pan and pull some bearing caps.
Question: Was your rebuilder experienced at converting to inserts?

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Old 01-20-2019, 01:52 PM   #46
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If the engine will turn backwards a little bit , There is a good possibility that there could be one or more stuck closed valves . I have had this happen more than once with model A's and some other engines .
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Old 01-20-2019, 02:18 PM   #47
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If the engine will turn backwards a little bit , There is a good possibility that there could be one or more stuck closed valves . I have had this happen more than once with model A's and some other engines .
On a stored engine, maybe. His was running when it stopped. He needs to tear it down far enough to find and understand the reason.
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Old 01-20-2019, 05:14 PM   #48
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stainless steel valves on a fresh rebuild , can get sticky on lead free gas and stick , I've had it happen . It is a good idea to run a few ounces of Marvel Mystery oil in the fuel . I always would rather check the easier things before I started tearing down the engine .
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:45 AM   #49
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Yes, pull the motor. Don’t keep wanging and banging and heating everything. That is for motors that have been sitting and we’re stuck by rust and corrosion. Your motor locked up while by running. It doesn’t seem like it ran long enough to sieze a piston.
I would look at the rear main first. Then continue on from there.
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:07 AM   #50
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For crying out loud!!! Don't keep us in suspense. Strip the crankshaft and report on both the Mains and the Big Ends. Then we have some real understanding!!
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:22 AM   #51
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Yes Please !!! I Begging you tear it down! It! is the only solution..

Like Ford Acar the suspense is killing me!!
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:37 AM   #52
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Im not a engine guy, Just thinking out loud. Could there be a problem with the clutch or flywheel or transmission locked up.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:32 AM   #53
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It's not as easy as that! I'm 74 and I don't take the cold as well as I once did. I agree, I've banged it enough, it's got come out! Now to getting it out. I don't have anything to lift it with. When spring gets here, I can work outside for extended periods of time. And my backhoe's not working too well, so I have to come up with another way to lift it. I have a crane structure in Va, but I need a trailer to move it. Sigh!
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:46 AM   #54
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Mine is not a HF one, but for the last 20 yrs I could not have worked without this. I have both a backhoe and a tractor with a FEL, but they don't hold a candle to one of these..



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Old 01-21-2019, 12:06 PM   #55
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I've never used one of those:
https://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-...ane-69512.html

I have a small gantry I use, the metal one.
I wouldn't try the wooden one.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:29 PM   #56
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I agree , A shop crane is a real luxury . I wouldn't want to be without one .
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:07 PM   #57
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Katy, The one I have down in Va is like your's only heavier. That thing is a real bull. Just got to get it up here! As I write this, It's 16 degrees F outside. That never used to bother me much, but today it's different. I was out getting fire wood and froze my "nuggies"off. It used to invigorate me. Now it paralizes me!
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Terry, if you can do work where the car is currently, you might save having to remove the engine by dropping the pan for a THOROUGH look. You will have to remove it anyway after the engine is out.
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Old 01-27-2019, 12:58 PM   #59
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I had one lock after 11 mile on rebuilt engine with inserts. the rear main locked because the oil grove did not feed the bearing properly . don't turn a Locke motor until you check the bearings on the crank. one other thing that will lock the motor unbelievably but the little screw on the side that holds the oil pump while installing from bottom will get tight and lock the engine as I have had this too. Best of luck but if you just had this done you better take it back before you void the warranty by doing more damage.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:04 PM   #60
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"George, I don't know if it makes a difference, but this engine has insert bearings.
Ronn, No this is the same one, just a continuing saga.
I would like to take it back , but it's been 5 or 6 years since I had him do the work and I don't know how hard ($) he would hit me. and I paid enough money to him already. It was north of 5 grand when I had it done then. Moral of the story, You don't get your money's worth when you pay a lot for supposed quality! You get screwed even harder!"


While at this point warranty might be a moot point, can't hurt to talk to them.
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