Looking for pics of rear brake hose area 39-48

[gearhead1952]

Anyone have pics to share of the rear brake hose area and where the steel brake lines meet on a 39-48 car? The rear brake hose is really short and want to see how it looks installed in a car. I am aware of the parts so I am not looking for a parts diagram but actual photos of a stock setup. Thanks in advance.

[Bruce Lancaster]

No pics, but from your question I suspect that you believe the hose goes to the rear axle and that it is impossibly short for the range of movement there.
It actually goes from a steel line on center crossmember to a steel line on the torque tube, thence to a T that sends lines down the radius rods. Since the rubber hose is about at the U-joint there isn't mach motion.
(edit...if you want to route along frame and then have a hose to axle, look at the hose for '42-47 pickup)

[PeteVS]

There should be a bracket on the torque tube with two holes. One is an anchor for the hand brake cable. The other is an anchor for the torque tube end of the flex hose. There's a short steel line that goes back to the Tee. Sorry, no photos here either...

[Bruce Lancaster]

There is an excellent line drawing of the setup in the '46 service book, but online I can only find this rather murky drawing:

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/F...6-48system.jpg

The hose is the wavy line that you see crossing over the E-brake cable, and 2073 is the bracket Pete mentions. It is a sort of triangular strap that fstens to the front through bolt on the radius rods. All else is steel line back there.

[1oldtimer]

Not stock, I replaced the line (before I had the hydro flare kit) so it's a little long, hence the bends.

[gearhead1952]

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Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

No pics, but from your question I suspect that you believe the hose goes to the rear axle and that it is impossibly short for the range of movement there.
It actually goes from a steel line on center crossmember to a steel line on the torque tube, thence to a T that sends lines down the radius rods. Since the rubber hose is about at the U-joint there isn't mach motion.
(edit...if you want to route along frame and then have a hose to axle, look at the hose for '42-47 pickup)

Originally Posted by PeteVS

There should be a bracket on the torque tube with two holes. One is an anchor for the hand brake cable. The other is an anchor for the torque tube end of the flex hose. There's a short steel line that goes back to the Tee. Sorry, no photos here either...

My project has an earlier banjo rear so it doesn't have the bracket on the torque tube. Yeah I knew the hose went near the trans end of the torque tube but exploded part number pics can only show you so much. My goal is to try to use stock parts and maybe copy the 40 look I haven't really decided yet.

Originally Posted by 1oldtimer

Not stock, I replaced the line (before I had the hydro flare kit) so it's a little long, hence the bends.

Thanks for that pic that helps, I would also like to see the the other end of the brake hose if possible.

I also have a bracket that looks like it mounts to the wishbone bolt and has a large hole for the ebrake cable, what year(s) would have used this bracket instead of the torque tube mounted one?

[John Mc]

You're right the hose listed is too short. My NAPA counter man (worth his weight in gold) found one that fits PERFECTLY! NAPA # 26960.

[19Fordy]

As promised. Here's my 40 Ford with original stock rear brake line set up. Rear brake line that goes from rear master cylinders up to junction block. No rubber hoses except original that attaches to rear of junction block as shown in center photo. Brake lines are "spring coiled"
at rear.

[gearhead1952]

Great pics thanks 19Fordy!

[1oldtimer]

Mine is a '47, so it looks like your looking for an earlier one.

[gearhead1952]

Originally Posted by 1oldtimer

Mine is a '47, so it looks like your looking for an earlier one.

I am interested in looking at any of them in those years to get an idea of how they look so that I can decide which way I want to go and what specific parts I might need. I can't believe how tough it is to find pics of stock chassis setups, google is not my friend with this kind of stuff. Thanks for your help.

[1oldtimer]

I believe the other ends are the same.

[Richard (EV8G)]

As shown in the photos in post #8, 39-40 originally has a T fitting that bolts to the forward area of the LH rear radius rod. The T has a male inverted flare facing forward that the rear hose screws directly onto. The other end of the hose goes to a 5/8" hole in the forward area of the LH rear leg of the frame X. A hard line then goes from the hose (female) end to one of the ports in the V-shaped master cylinder fitting. 41 Commercial would also have this arrangement, as it has the same frame as 40; not sure about 41 passenger models, as there was some of transition... The rear T also has two female ports to which the rear lines connect; the LH line makes a little offset, then goes directly down the LH rear radius rod. The RH line passes under the torque tube and then goes down the RH rear radius rod, with both rear lines routed as shown in the photos. In photo #7, can just barely see where the rear hose goes to the X leg? There is a hose retainer clip used on the other side of the leg...

41 is murky in my mind, but 42-48 has the T bracket mounted where the radius rods attach to the torque tube, which is way further rearward than 39-40, as they use the "shorty" rear radius rods that are at about 45 degrees. A 3-way T fits into the bracket. All 3 ports are inverted flare female. The rear lines come out of the side ports of the T (which is rearward of the bracket and held in place by a standard hose clip) and curve to go down the radius rods. The 3rd port faces forward, where a hard line connects, then goes forward to a bracket on the torque tube (not the type that bolts to the radius rod attachment as on 39-40) that has the two 5/8" holes, one on top of the other. One hole (upper?) is for the rear of the rear hose, and the other is for the handbrake cable housing, both of which are secured with a hose clip. From the hard line and bracket, the rear hose goes leftward over to the LH rear X leg and into a 5/8" hole and is secured with a hose clip. From there, a hard line goes forward to the MC T fitting port. There are two styles of MC fittings, one in a V-shape and another that has the ports 180-degrees apart. Not sure which is used on the 41-48's? The rear T fitting and bracket have 99A- prefixes, which indicates that they were originally used on 1939 Mercury.

There are two hoses available, both with female ends. One is a little longer
than the other. The shorter one is #6100 (Raybestos) and the other number is
not in my head... The longer one is only an inch or two longer. I use the shorter hose in all of my conversions, but the rear line does not go to the frame LH rear X leg, and we make everything so the short hose fits. I do not know how long an original rear hose is/was. I will try to post the number of the longer hose tomorrow... it is in my memory but it is "fuzzy" right now... Added Note: #26960
posted above is the number I was searching for. Didn't see it before...

In conclusion, how the hose and fittings are arranged depends on what year
vehicle is being worked on. The photos in post #12 do not represent an original arrangement...

[gearhead1952]

Thanks oldtimer for the added pics. Thanks Richard for the detailed information. I looked up the part number that John Mc gave above and that is the longer version. Good to see how Ford did the lines during these years.

[1oldtimer]

mine are close but not original lines. I bend up new lines in the rear using the original mounts but they go to lincoln brakes and a dual chamber master.

[40cpe]

19forty, not trying to hijack this thread, but who makes the tube shock adapters on your rear axle?

Thanks,
Gene

[19Fordy]

Originally Posted by 40cpe

19forty, not trying to hijack this thread, but who makes the tube shock adapters on your rear axle?

Thanks,
Gene

Gene, I just saw your question, by pure chance. i don't know the answer as they were on the car when I bought it in 1963.

[40cpe]

OK, thanks. They look very substantial. They are the kind I am looking for.

[19Fordy]

Originally Posted by 40cpe

OK, thanks. They look very substantial. They are the kind I am looking for.

5/28/11
Gene, If you want I will take better photos of them so you can see exactly what you need. You might even be able to make them yourself.

[Gary in La.]

Gene, They appear to be like a set I sold several years ago. Very substantial. Don't know who made them but here is a close up.