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Mike/Franklin · 03-12-2011, 11:26 PM

Just got a tool to remove keepers.It's 18 inches long. 1/2 in round rod with knerling on 4 inches at one end and other end last three inches bent at a 15 degree angle with a slot cut to hold a hook to fit into hole in keeper. I broke the hook. Anybody know where I can get one?Who made it. Worked great on two keepers. Only markings on the tool are
NOT GUAR
S 9097
Made in USA

ford1 · 03-13-2011, 12:20 AM

you dont need that tool, they either break or pull the hole out on the keeper, you need the valve guide tool to pull the guide down first, then you can pull the keepers out with a pair of plyers

Mike/Franklin · 03-13-2011, 04:06 PM

I'd like to find out the maker and perhaps get it fixed. It worked well, I think i was careless. The next time one of those bars that is supposed to pull down the guide works on a real old motor......will be the FIRST TIME! The bars are total junk. Been there, done that. Got one I'll sell.

Just want to fix what I got.

ford1 · 03-13-2011, 04:23 PM

i think your keeper tool is now junk,its tool steel and i dont think it can be reheated to regrind and rebend, that tool only works to remove keepers that are on valve guides that are not frozen in the block, same with the valve guide tool, it will only work on guides that are not frozen to the guide bores, they make another tool that fits around the open valve and rests on top of the guide, its a punch, hit it with a hammer and it drives the guide down so the keepers can be removed, i have two of them, to be used as a last resort, but they do work

FlatheadTed · 03-13-2011, 04:32 PM

Grind it back then heat and reform the hook ,Then quench it in oil while its dull red .or weld something on such as a nail punch end .

Mike/Franklin · 03-13-2011, 04:38 PM

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The end tips are replaceable. They fit into the slot on the end and are held in place by two rivets. If I knew the maker it would help to track down parts. I think I can make a replacement hook to fit the slot but would be nice if someone has some laying around. They were made to be replaced.

Mike51Merc · 03-13-2011, 07:46 PM

I guess you know what "Not Guar" means!
I agree with the posts above to try and fix it, but if you can't, you don't really need a fancy tool for that part of the job anyway. If your guides are stuck, pulling too hard on the keepers is just going to break either the keepers or your tool anyway. You have to free up the guides first by breaking up the carbonized build-up on the guide tops.

Bruce Lancaster · 03-14-2011, 05:59 PM

The S number and the famous "Not Guar" logo suggest Snap on origin!

Mike/Franklin · 03-14-2011, 09:19 PM

Bruce, thanks a million for thinking of Snap-On. The Not Guar threw me. I checked the 1942 Snap-On catalog that I have and on page 59 there it is!

"You'll find Ford valve keys easy to pull with this special tool...it's designed to reach in, hook onto the key, and yank it out in a hurry.The hook is a separate piece of tempered steel riveted in place and can be replaced if broken...and while the tool is not guaranreed, it should last indefinitely if used only for this job."

*S-9097 FORD VALVE KEY PULLER
* S-9097- 2X Extra hook and rivets.

Love it when a puzzle is solved. Now I'm going to harass the local Snap-On man for a replacement hook.

Thanks again, ML

ken ct · 03-15-2011, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike/Franklin

Bruce, thanks a million for thinking of Snap-On. The Not Guar threw me. I checked the 1942 Snap-On catalog that I have and on page 59 there it is!

"You'll find Ford valve keys easy to pull with this special tool...it's designed to reach in, hook onto the key, and yank it out in a hurry.The hook is a separate piece of tempered steel riveted in place and can be replaced if broken...and while the tool is not guaranreed, it should last indefinitely if used only for this job."

*S-9097 FORD VALVE KEY PULLER
* S-9097- 2X Extra hook and rivets.

Love it when a puzzle is solved. Now I'm going to harass the local Snap-On man for a replacement hook.

Thanks again, ML

Most likely they will tell you its an obsolete tool and cant help you. Ive tried for yrs to get them to look for old stromberg jet wrenches which they list in older cataloges and probebly have stashed away in some dark corner somewhere. They wont even look for you and ive discused this with some pretty higer ups in SO. good luck. ken ct.

Bruce Lancaster · 03-15-2011, 10:37 AM

Yeah...the Snap-on jet wrenches (97 and 94!) are beauties, very thin and strong. I belive S-o was the maker for Stromberg supplied tools, too...I have some with both Snap-on and Stromberg logos.
The 94 jet tool has a liitle internal spring that fits the hollow in the front of the jet...it pilots on the access hole in carb so you can push it into an assembled 94 until it engages, unscrew and remove the jet, and slide it back in on the car in an assembled carb.
Their Model A kit included special sockets for each carb part, each the exact length needed for the application...beautiful tools, too.
There are a bunch of Snap-on and KD tools that would sell like hotcakes to A-B-V8 people if reintroduced.

03-12-2011, 11:26 PM	#1
Mike/Franklin Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mansfield Center, CT Posts: 66	Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? Just got a tool to remove keepers.It's 18 inches long. 1/2 in round rod with knerling on 4 inches at one end and other end last three inches bent at a 15 degree angle with a slot cut to hold a hook to fit into hole in keeper. I broke the hook. Anybody know where I can get one?Who made it. Worked great on two keepers. Only markings on the tool are NOT GUAR S 9097 Made in USA

03-13-2011, 12:20 AM	#2
ford1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: oroville ca. Posts: 1,554	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? you dont need that tool, they either break or pull the hole out on the keeper, you need the valve guide tool to pull the guide down first, then you can pull the keepers out with a pair of plyers

03-13-2011, 04:06 PM	#3
Mike/Franklin Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mansfield Center, CT Posts: 66	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? I'd like to find out the maker and perhaps get it fixed. It worked well, I think i was careless. The next time one of those bars that is supposed to pull down the guide works on a real old motor......will be the FIRST TIME! The bars are total junk. Been there, done that. Got one I'll sell. Just want to fix what I got.

03-13-2011, 04:23 PM	#4
ford1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: oroville ca. Posts: 1,554	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? i think your keeper tool is now junk,its tool steel and i dont think it can be reheated to regrind and rebend, that tool only works to remove keepers that are on valve guides that are not frozen in the block, same with the valve guide tool, it will only work on guides that are not frozen to the guide bores, they make another tool that fits around the open valve and rests on top of the guide, its a punch, hit it with a hammer and it drives the guide down so the keepers can be removed, i have two of them, to be used as a last resort, but they do work

03-13-2011, 04:32 PM	#5
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,709	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? Grind it back then heat and reform the hook ,Then quench it in oil while its dull red .or weld something on such as a nail punch end . __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters ,

03-13-2011, 04:38 PM	#6
Mike/Franklin Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mansfield Center, CT Posts: 66	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The end tips are replaceable. They fit into the slot on the end and are held in place by two rivets. If I knew the maker it would help to track down parts. I think I can make a replacement hook to fit the slot but would be nice if someone has some laying around. They were made to be replaced.

03-13-2011, 07:46 PM	#7
Mike51Merc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northeast Pennsylvania Posts: 1,582	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? I guess you know what "Not Guar" means! I agree with the posts above to try and fix it, but if you can't, you don't really need a fancy tool for that part of the job anyway. If your guides are stuck, pulling too hard on the keepers is just going to break either the keepers or your tool anyway. You have to free up the guides first by breaking up the carbonized build-up on the guide tops.

03-14-2011, 05:59 PM	#8
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? The S number and the famous "Not Guar" logo suggest Snap on origin!

03-14-2011, 09:19 PM	#9
Mike/Franklin Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mansfield Center, CT Posts: 66	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? Bruce, thanks a million for thinking of Snap-On. The Not Guar threw me. I checked the 1942 Snap-On catalog that I have and on page 59 there it is! "You'll find Ford valve keys easy to pull with this special tool...it's designed to reach in, hook onto the key, and yank it out in a hurry.The hook is a separate piece of tempered steel riveted in place and can be replaced if broken...and while the tool is not guaranreed, it should last indefinitely if used only for this job." S-9097 FORD VALVE KEY PULLER S-9097- 2X Extra hook and rivets. Love it when a puzzle is solved. Now I'm going to harass the local Snap-On man for a replacement hook. Thanks again, ML

03-15-2011, 10:37 AM	#11
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Broken Valve Tool. Fix?? Yeah...the Snap-on jet wrenches (97 and 94!) are beauties, very thin and strong. I belive S-o was the maker for Stromberg supplied tools, too...I have some with both Snap-on and Stromberg logos. The 94 jet tool has a liitle internal spring that fits the hollow in the front of the jet...it pilots on the access hole in carb so you can push it into an assembled 94 until it engages, unscrew and remove the jet, and slide it back in on the car in an assembled carb. Their Model A kit included special sockets for each carb part, each the exact length needed for the application...beautiful tools, too. There are a bunch of Snap-on and KD tools that would sell like hotcakes to A-B-V8 people if reintroduced.