The Ford Barn

FrankWest · 04-03-2015, 10:50 AM

It has been so long since I removed these and cleaned up and painted where needed. They install from underneath the engine right, not from the top?

rockfla · 04-03-2015, 11:56 AM

Would be easier from underneath. they should not really get super close to the engine, remember there is some webbing (if you will) that goes between the pan and frame as a sort of anti rattle (gasket) if you will.

DavidG · 04-03-2015, 11:59 AM

They attach to the underside of the chassis frame rails. A small (1" x 2") rectangle of 1/16" thick anti-squeak material was inserted between the pan and the frame rail at each attachment point.

rockfla · 04-03-2015, 11:59 AM

#46-6780 is the anti squeak material for reference

FrankWest · 04-03-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rockfla

Would be easier from underneath. they should not really get super close to the engine, remember there is some webbing (if you will) that goes between the pan and frame as a sort of anti rattle (gasket) if you will.

I have the webbing pads. I remember the square nuts were under, bots on top

mercman from oz · 04-03-2015, 06:00 PM

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These photos are off a Right Hand drive 1934 Ford V8. I have shown them from the top as well as the underside. While they fit on the underside of the Chassis Rails, I can't talk for LHD models, but on the RHD models, the Right Hand one fits under the Bottom Fold, while the Left Hand one fits under the Top Fold. The Left Hand one was very difficult to fit as it covers the Exhaust Pipe with very little room for hands to fit under. My examples don't have Caged nuts, which could explain why I had problems. I don't know how they compare in shape to the LHD examples? These are very hard items to locate, as over the years, when Mechanics had to remove an Engine, quite often these Splash Pans were never replaced but simply discarded.

FrankWest · 04-03-2015, 07:53 PM

Thanks for taking the time to take the photos. No caged nuts on mine either.
Although mine is for a model B engine, but same idea.
When I took mine off at the beginning of my mechanical work in preparing to remove my old pan, I could haVE sworn that larger pieces of swatch material were present than just these little squares of material provided by Ray Natchetiz.

fourfords · 04-03-2015, 08:00 PM

1933's and 1934 engine pans are a little different from each other. Do not have photos. When I was putting together my '33 way back when, I discovered some differences in my research.

Made a mistake. I overlooked the four cylinder inquiry. I posted V8 reference.

FrankWest · 04-03-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fourfords

1933's and 1934 engine pans are a little different from each other. Do not have photos. When I was putting together my '33 way back when, I discovered some differences in my research.

My pan were pretty good, one had almost all original semigloss paint..at least I think it was original. I remember seeing reproduction pans for 100 dollars each.
I think I saw a long strip of old shredded material come off one of my pans...Maybe someone replace the pads with a long strip of material.

FrankWest · 04-03-2015, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fourfords

1933's and 1934 engine pans are a little different from each other. Do not have photos. When I was putting together my '33 way back when, I discovered some differences in my research.

My pans were pretty good condition, one had almost all original semigloss paint..at least I think it was original. I remember seeing reproduction pans for 100 dollars each.
I think I saw a long strip of old shredded material come off one of my pans...Maybe someone replace the pads with a long strip of material at some time in the long distant past.

mercman from oz · 04-03-2015, 09:22 PM

Just to complete the picture, these Splash Pans ore off a RHD 4 Cylinder 1933 Ford. Shown is top side as well as the underside. No Caged Nuts on these?

DavidG · 04-03-2015, 10:29 PM

The '33-'34 four cylinder splash pans are the same for both LHD and RHD, which is a welcome simplification for those seeking them.

mercman from oz · 04-03-2015, 10:53 PM

These 33/34 Ford 4 Cylinder Splash Pans being identical does simplify things, but I guess finding any these days would be difficult.

WRA · 04-04-2015, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mercman from oz

These 33/34 Ford 4 Cylinder Splash Pans being identical does simplify things, but I guess finding any these days would be difficult.

Wonder if their would be a repop market for these. These are in excellent shape and would be a goo template for the dies.

DavidG · 04-04-2015, 11:17 AM

I doubt it. 1933-'34 four-cylinder powered cars are scarce to begin with as more than a few have been converted into V8s. In addition, the original pans turn up with regularity. One reason for that is that on a four-cylinder chassis one or both of the pans do not need to be removed for a number of repairs where one or both need to be removed for the same repair on a V8 chassis.

FrankWest · 04-06-2015, 01:07 PM

Funny...But installing these splash pans is a big pain in my pan!
It is almost impossible to install these splash pans alone, need someone to hold at least the first bolt to get started. Tired a weight, still no good. Maybe bonding the top bolt down. Get my wife to feel a part of the car restoration.

mercman from oz · 04-06-2015, 04:34 PM

I am with you Frank. The one on the right hand side is no problem, as it is completely accessable. It is a different story for the one on the left hand side. I finished up using Masking Tape to hold the Nut in a Ring Spanner. It was not a 5 minute job. No wonder mechanics never replaced them in a lot of cases. At the end of the day, they must have been put in the garbage when cleaning up the Workshop. That is probably why they are so scarce these days.

DavidG · 04-06-2015, 04:44 PM

It's not a bad job when the front fenders aren't in place, but a nightmare with them in place. It could be worse as the as the '33-'34 pans do not attach on the front of the pans like those for '32s. On the other hand, the right side pan on a LHD '33-'34 V-8 and the left side pan on a '33-'34 RHD V-8 are no fun either, with or without the front fenders in place.

FrankWest · 04-06-2015, 06:22 PM

I finally got them installed. I glued the pads to the pan tops with rubber cement.
I got my wife involved. She held one bolt down on each side as I fit the washer and nut. After one bolt and nut was in place it was relatively easy to do the rest.
At least my wife felt a part of the car work and was not left out.

04-03-2015, 10:50 AM	#1
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	1933 engine splash pans It has been so long since I removed these and cleaned up and painted where needed. They install from underneath the engine right, not from the top?

04-03-2015, 11:56 AM	#2
rockfla Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 3,963	Re: 1933 engine splash pans Would be easier from underneath. they should not really get super close to the engine, remember there is some webbing (if you will) that goes between the pan and frame as a sort of anti rattle (gasket) if you will.

04-03-2015, 11:59 AM	#3
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,103	Re: 1933 engine splash pans They attach to the underside of the chassis frame rails. A small (1" x 2") rectangle of 1/16" thick anti-squeak material was inserted between the pan and the frame rail at each attachment point.

04-03-2015, 06:00 PM	#6
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,377	Re: 1933 engine splash pans Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) These photos are off a Right Hand drive 1934 Ford V8. I have shown them from the top as well as the underside. While they fit on the underside of the Chassis Rails, I can't talk for LHD models, but on the RHD models, the Right Hand one fits under the Bottom Fold, while the Left Hand one fits under the Top Fold. The Left Hand one was very difficult to fit as it covers the Exhaust Pipe with very little room for hands to fit under. My examples don't have Caged nuts, which could explain why I had problems. I don't know how they compare in shape to the LHD examples? These are very hard items to locate, as over the years, when Mechanics had to remove an Engine, quite often these Splash Pans were never replaced but simply discarded.

04-03-2015, 07:53 PM	#7
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: 1933 engine splash pans Thanks for taking the time to take the photos. No caged nuts on mine either. Although mine is for a model B engine, but same idea. When I took mine off at the beginning of my mechanical work in preparing to remove my old pan, I could haVE sworn that larger pieces of swatch material were present than just these little squares of material provided by Ray Natchetiz.

04-03-2015, 11:59 AM	#4
rockfla Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 3,963	Re: 1933 engine splash pans #46-6780 is the anti squeak material for reference

04-03-2015, 08:00 PM	#8
fourfords Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lake Elsinore, CA. Posts: 414	Re: 1933 engine splash pans 1933's and 1934 engine pans are a little different from each other. Do not have photos. When I was putting together my '33 way back when, I discovered some differences in my research. Made a mistake. I overlooked the four cylinder inquiry. I posted V8 reference. Last edited by fourfords; 04-04-2015 at 10:05 PM. Reason: mispelled word

04-03-2015, 09:22 PM	#11
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,377	Re: 1933 engine splash pans Just to complete the picture, these Splash Pans ore off a RHD 4 Cylinder 1933 Ford. Shown is top side as well as the underside. No Caged Nuts on these?

04-03-2015, 10:53 PM	#13
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,377	Re: 1933 engine splash pans These 33/34 Ford 4 Cylinder Splash Pans being identical does simplify things, but I guess finding any these days would be difficult.

04-04-2015, 11:17 AM	#15
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,103	Re: 1933 engine splash pans I doubt it. 1933-'34 four-cylinder powered cars are scarce to begin with as more than a few have been converted into V8s. In addition, the original pans turn up with regularity. One reason for that is that on a four-cylinder chassis one or both of the pans do not need to be removed for a number of repairs where one or both need to be removed for the same repair on a V8 chassis. Last edited by DavidG; 04-04-2015 at 11:35 AM.

04-06-2015, 01:07 PM	#16
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: 1933 engine splash pans Funny...But installing these splash pans is a big pain in my pan! It is almost impossible to install these splash pans alone, need someone to hold at least the first bolt to get started. Tired a weight, still no good. Maybe bonding the top bolt down. Get my wife to feel a part of the car restoration.

04-06-2015, 04:34 PM	#17
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,377	Re: 1933 engine splash pans I am with you Frank. The one on the right hand side is no problem, as it is completely accessable. It is a different story for the one on the left hand side. I finished up using Masking Tape to hold the Nut in a Ring Spanner. It was not a 5 minute job. No wonder mechanics never replaced them in a lot of cases. At the end of the day, they must have been put in the garbage when cleaning up the Workshop. That is probably why they are so scarce these days.

04-06-2015, 04:44 PM	#18
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,103	Re: 1933 engine splash pans It's not a bad job when the front fenders aren't in place, but a nightmare with them in place. It could be worse as the as the '33-'34 pans do not attach on the front of the pans like those for '32s. On the other hand, the right side pan on a LHD '33-'34 V-8 and the left side pan on a '33-'34 RHD V-8 are no fun either, with or without the front fenders in place.

04-06-2015, 06:22 PM	#19
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: 1933 engine splash pans I finally got them installed. I glued the pads to the pan tops with rubber cement. I got my wife involved. She held one bolt down on each side as I fit the washer and nut. After one bolt and nut was in place it was relatively easy to do the rest. At least my wife felt a part of the car work and was not left out.