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kwisor · 03-29-2022, 11:28 AM

hello
i just put a new clutch disk and pressure plate in my 30 tudor. i adj the finger to 5/8 and went to adj the peddle . i have the peddle adj as far as it will go . when i Engauge the peddle it dose nor seem to disengage the clutch all the way the through out bearing seems to barely move. when i put it in adj the fingers the seemed like they where to far in at 5/8 here are photos of how i adj the fingers. this is on the old plate. what did i do wrong?
thanks Kevin

Bob C · 03-29-2022, 11:59 AM

Did you have it bolted to the flywheel with the disc installed when you adjusted it?

nkaminar · 03-29-2022, 12:01 PM

They are supposed to be adjusted with the pressure plate bolted to the flywheel and the clutch disk installed. See https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...D4W2ggfH4rsg18

kwisor · 03-29-2022, 12:04 PM

yes i adj it after i put it on the flywheel it has taken me almost two weeks to get this far i am doing this with no help
thanks kevin

kwisor · 03-29-2022, 12:08 PM

i have watched that video but still confused if i adj it to 3/4 i would not get bearing to touch fingers. or is this measurement from the clutch disk to finger?
kevin

kwisor · 03-29-2022, 12:10 PM

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everything i have read or watched has not helped
kevin

kwisor · 03-29-2022, 12:20 PM

hello
i found out what i did wrong i set my rouler up in correctly and now will have to re adj the fingers in the car sounds like fun
kevin

Patrick L. · 03-29-2022, 01:09 PM

I was going to say, it didn't look right. Not even close.

With all fingers that far off I would recommend taking it out and setting it on the bench. That'll come back out in a few hours. It can be done in a day.

Flywheel on bench
Bolt in disk and plate
Take a turned piece of round stock [ 5/8" 11/16" 3/4" ] I've seen all 3 figures. I just stick a piece of round stock in the lathe and turn to what did I want. I'm sure a friend will have a lathe.
Lay a straight metal straight edge across the pressure plate. Pull the round stock between the straight edge and the finger. Adjust for a slight firm drag.
Do all. Tap each finger with a hammer a few times to set the fingers. Now do it all over again, it'll take a couple times. [ I only want to do this job once ]. The specs between fingers is .002"
Oh, I pull the rear and transmitter. I've been know to take a nap while under these monsters.

Tom Endy · 03-29-2022, 01:27 PM

Attached article may help.

Tom Endy

http://www.santaanitaas.org/wp-conte...adjustment.pdf

nkaminar · 03-29-2022, 01:44 PM

Kevin is obviously having some problems. Is there anyone in the Charlotte, South Carolina area that can help him? It is going to take a tool of some kind, one like described in the text that Tom supplied. The fingers have to be set within 0.002 to each other.

burner31 · 03-29-2022, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkaminar

Kevin is obviously having some problems. Is there anyone in the Charlotte, South Carolina area that can help him? It is going to take a tool of some kind, one like described in the text that Tom supplied. The fingers have to be set within 0.002 to each other.

I've heard tell of people saying I'm a "tool of some kind"
But unfortunately I'm not in the Charlotte, South Carolina area

katy · 03-30-2022, 10:54 AM

A cylinder head nut is 11/16" AF, makes a good spacer for adjusting the clutch fingers. A 1/2" nut is 3/4" AF if that's the spec one want's to use.

Keith True · 03-30-2022, 11:43 AM

I have several pieces of bar stock with different size nuts welded to them for setting clutches.You weld the nut on with one of the flats so it looks like a flag.A lot of farm tractors read the measurement from the flywheel surface,not the top of the pressure plate.The top of pressure plates from different manufacturers may be for the same application,but different heights.

GRutter · 03-30-2022, 05:19 PM

Keep in mind that the original nominal spec of 11/16 finger height was also done with a new clutch disc measuring 0.340"

PC/SR · 03-30-2022, 08:36 PM

It can be adjusted in the car. Instead of trying to measure the 5/8--3/4 distance, use a piece of bailing wire, about .100 as a feeler gauge to measure the distance between the finger and the throwout bearing. Worked for me.

GRutter · 03-30-2022, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC/SR

It can be adjusted in the car. Instead of trying to measure the 5/8--3/4 distance, use a piece of bailing wire, about .100 as a feeler gauge to measure the distance between the finger and the throwout bearing. Worked for me.

Not correct.
The location of the clutch throwout bearing is dependent on the clutch pedal pinion adjustment. You might be able to make the fingers all even, and it would provide some minimal clearance between the fingers and the throwout bearing, but it's not going to provide a measurement to set the pressure plate fingers to the correct height..

PC/SR · 03-30-2022, 11:15 PM

Not correct.
The location of the clutch throwout bearing is dependent on the clutch pedal pinion adjustment. You might be able to make the fingers all even, and it would provide some minimal clearance between the fingers and the throwout bearing, but it's not going to provide a measurement to set the pressure plate fingers to the correct height.. \

As said it worked for me. There is in fact some distance between the TO bearing and the fingers. Measure yours and let us know what is it. It would be useful for all to know what the proper measurement is. I would prefer to adjust it on assembly, but it can be done in the car as described. Tie a string to the bailing wire so it can be retrieved if dropped. Rotate and adjust the assembly 3 times to get the fingers even.

Patrick L. · 03-31-2022, 07:13 AM

I've set the fingers in the car using a feeler strip when the fingers don't seem to be set too bad.

But, if the fingers are completely 'out of whack' I'll put everything on the bench and go to work on it.

Everyone has their way of doing things.

kwisor · 04-02-2022, 06:47 PM

hello all thanks for the replies i did not think i could adj the fingers with the transmission in the car. so today i pulled the tranny adj clutch found some bad clutch shaft bushings replaced them got it back together. i replaced the cross shaft bushings. all i have left to do is attach the brake brake rods adj the brakes and test drive
thanks
Kevin

nkaminar · 04-02-2022, 07:24 PM

Yeah Kevin. Good job. Glad you got things sorted out and thanks for the update.

03-29-2022, 11:59 AM	#2
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,775	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj Did you have it bolted to the flywheel with the disc installed when you adjusted it?

03-29-2022, 12:01 PM	#3
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,950	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj They are supposed to be adjusted with the pressure plate bolted to the flywheel and the clutch disk installed. See https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...D4W2ggfH4rsg18 __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

03-29-2022, 12:04 PM	#4
kwisor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: lexington sc Posts: 456	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj yes i adj it after i put it on the flywheel it has taken me almost two weeks to get this far i am doing this with no help thanks kevin

03-29-2022, 12:08 PM	#5
kwisor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: lexington sc Posts: 456	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj i have watched that video but still confused if i adj it to 3/4 i would not get bearing to touch fingers. or is this measurement from the clutch disk to finger? kevin

03-29-2022, 12:10 PM	#6
kwisor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: lexington sc Posts: 456	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) everything i have read or watched has not helped kevin

03-29-2022, 12:20 PM	#7
kwisor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: lexington sc Posts: 456	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj hello i found out what i did wrong i set my rouler up in correctly and now will have to re adj the fingers in the car sounds like fun kevin

03-29-2022, 01:09 PM	#8
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj I was going to say, it didn't look right. Not even close. With all fingers that far off I would recommend taking it out and setting it on the bench. That'll come back out in a few hours. It can be done in a day. Flywheel on bench Bolt in disk and plate Take a turned piece of round stock [ 5/8" 11/16" 3/4" ] I've seen all 3 figures. I just stick a piece of round stock in the lathe and turn to what did I want. I'm sure a friend will have a lathe. Lay a straight metal straight edge across the pressure plate. Pull the round stock between the straight edge and the finger. Adjust for a slight firm drag. Do all. Tap each finger with a hammer a few times to set the fingers. Now do it all over again, it'll take a couple times. [ I only want to do this job once ]. The specs between fingers is .002" Oh, I pull the rear and transmitter. I've been know to take a nap while under these monsters.

03-29-2022, 01:27 PM	#9
Tom Endy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,134	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj Attached article may help. Tom Endy http://www.santaanitaas.org/wp-conte...adjustment.pdf

03-29-2022, 01:44 PM	#10
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,950	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj Kevin is obviously having some problems. Is there anyone in the Charlotte, South Carolina area that can help him? It is going to take a tool of some kind, one like described in the text that Tom supplied. The fingers have to be set within 0.002 to each other. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

03-30-2022, 10:54 AM	#12
katy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 5,057	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj A cylinder head nut is 11/16" AF, makes a good spacer for adjusting the clutch fingers. A 1/2" nut is 3/4" AF if that's the spec one want's to use. __________________ If you don't hear a rumor by 10 AM, start one!. Got my education out behind the barn!

03-30-2022, 11:43 AM	#13
Keith True Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Epping N.H. Posts: 3,000	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj I have several pieces of bar stock with different size nuts welded to them for setting clutches.You weld the nut on with one of the flats so it looks like a flag.A lot of farm tractors read the measurement from the flywheel surface,not the top of the pressure plate.The top of pressure plates from different manufacturers may be for the same application,but different heights.

03-30-2022, 05:19 PM	#14
GRutter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Mint Hill, North Carolina Posts: 386	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj Keep in mind that the original nominal spec of 11/16 finger height was also done with a new clutch disc measuring 0.340"

03-30-2022, 08:36 PM	#15
PC/SR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 1,280	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj It can be adjusted in the car. Instead of trying to measure the 5/8--3/4 distance, use a piece of bailing wire, about .100 as a feeler gauge to measure the distance between the finger and the throwout bearing. Worked for me.

03-30-2022, 11:15 PM	#17
PC/SR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 1,280	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj Not correct. The location of the clutch throwout bearing is dependent on the clutch pedal pinion adjustment. You might be able to make the fingers all even, and it would provide some minimal clearance between the fingers and the throwout bearing, but it's not going to provide a measurement to set the pressure plate fingers to the correct height.. \ As said it worked for me. There is in fact some distance between the TO bearing and the fingers. Measure yours and let us know what is it. It would be useful for all to know what the proper measurement is. I would prefer to adjust it on assembly, but it can be done in the car as described. Tie a string to the bailing wire so it can be retrieved if dropped. Rotate and adjust the assembly 3 times to get the fingers even. Last edited by PC/SR; 03-30-2022 at 11:21 PM.

03-31-2022, 07:13 AM	#18
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: need help totally confused clutch finger adj I've set the fingers in the car using a feeler strip when the fingers don't seem to be set too bad. But, if the fingers are completely 'out of whack' I'll put everything on the bench and go to work on it. Everyone has their way of doing things.

04-02-2022, 06:47 PM	#19
kwisor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: lexington sc Posts: 456	Re: update need help totally confused clutch finger adj hello all thanks for the replies i did not think i could adj the fingers with the transmission in the car. so today i pulled the tranny adj clutch found some bad clutch shaft bushings replaced them got it back together. i replaced the cross shaft bushings. all i have left to do is attach the brake brake rods adj the brakes and test drive thanks Kevin

04-02-2022, 07:24 PM	#20
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,950	Re: update need help totally confused clutch finger adj Yeah Kevin. Good job. Glad you got things sorted out and thanks for the update. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.