Shifting trouble in a 29'

[Art Newland]

Originally Posted by iamskee

Is there any way to upload videos? I took a few short videos today but I cant find a way to attach them.

You can put them on YouTube or Vimeo and then link them here

[iamskee]

Thanks for the reply 55. Ok then the throwout bearing does NOT stop spinning when I take my foot off the clutch. I have to pick the pedal up abojt 1/2" for it to stop spinning. I took a video of this but can't find a way to upload it yet.

Where is the release lever located?

I saw the grease fitting and will grease it tomorrow.

I will spray some penetrating on the clutch tonight. Thanks for the tips.

[Big hammer]

While you have the grease gun out, grease the pedals from under your car. please don't put any oil on the clutch or flywheel ! The through out bearing hub is where you can use some oil. It moves forward when you push the clutch pedal down, it is what the spring is attached to. Push the pedal down and use some oil the shaft it slides on!

[1955cj5]

Release lever or arm....

The one I had was repaired years ago..I replaced it...

[1955cj5]

No don't spray anything on the clutch itself....

just on the bushings where the clutch shaft goes through the clutch housing...and from the outside, not inside. Oil and grease on the clutch disc itself might ruin it...

These pictures show the shaft running through the clutch housing.


When you push on the clutch pedal, the shaft rotates and the forks push the throwout bearing and carrier forward, releasing the clutch...

Beautiful car you have there!

[iamskee]

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HMMM I am beginning to wonder if the pedal just needs to be adjusted. Is there a measurement for the length the adjusting rod to the clutch pedal should be? Or how does one know how long/short to make it?

[J Franklin]

You want 1" free play in the pedal, it may need adjustment but I suspect weak or broken springs.

[cpf240]

By 'free play', it is generally meant how much travel of the pedal before the throwout bearing starts to engage the clutch pressure plate fingers. At least that is what it means to me... :-)

[Beauford]

I went through this...adjust clutch pedal thus adjusting throwout. It needs to be able to spin by hand (throwout) when engine off and grasping it through inspection plate.

[J Franklin]

In the model a you can see the action of the throw-out bearing with the inspection plate removed. Yes cpf240 that is how I see it. 1" minimum.

[iamskee]

Ok, but I don't understand how lengthening or shortening the clutch pedal will make a difference on free play OR the throwout bearing. Lengthening the pedal simply adjusts where the actual pedal is located... right?

[iamskee]

Originally Posted by J Franklin

You want 1" free play in the pedal, it may need adjustment but I suspect weak or broken springs.

How/where would I check for a weak or broken spring?

[1955cj5]

Originally Posted by iamskee

Ok, but I don't understand how lengthening or shortening the clutch pedal will make a difference on free play OR the throwout bearing. Lengthening the pedal simply adjusts where the actual pedal is located... right?

Adjusting the clutch means adjusting the clevis rod in the clutch trunion nut on the pedal..Look at Les Andrews section 2 page 8.



The movement of the clutch pedal is limited by this collar(see picture) on the end of the pedal shaft.

When the pedal is fully released/up or your foot is not on the pedal it should rest against this collar. If it does not something is binding or sticking, or that small spring on the top of the throwout bearing carrier is either the wrong spring or it has been stretched.

Adjusting the clutch per Les Andrews section 2 page 8 moves the throwout bearing either closer to the pressure plate or further from as necessary with the clutch pedal fully up.

There are drawings in the book to help you....look at the section for pedals, 1-231 or the clutch 1-65

Stick with it you will get it figured out...

Here is a picture of the collar on the end of the pedal shaft..

[J Franklin]

There is the spring on the throwout bearing collar that pulls the throwout away from the pressure plate. It needs be strong enough to return the parts.

[Big hammer]

Originally Posted by J Franklin

There is the spring on the throwout bearing collar that pulls the throwout away from the pressure plate. It needs be strong enough to return the parts.

In the op's picture post, the bearing/hub is forward and the spring is stretched out. I believe his car has been sitting for awhile, i feel the bearing/hub is sticking on the transmission front bearing retainer. I would try some oil there with the pedal pushed down, greasing the grease fittings and some oil on the transmission bearing retainer along with oil on the pedal linkages will help.

[daveymc29]

#35 This is all that I ever found wrong with my coupe. It just wasn't really going into first gear. The teeth would mesh a bit and the car would move on level ground but given an incline I had complaints from the tranny and the car would stop moving. I shoved the lever up into second and drove up the slight incline. Brentwood Bob on this forum told me to grease the carrier which I did and the car works beautifully, hill starts and onto and off a trailer.

[iamskee]

Thank you for the tips! So because some others have warned about oil/grease in this area I really don't want to mess things up so to be sure I should:

-Grease gun the fitting just behind the pressure plate
-Press the clutch pedal, which slides the pressure plate back and put a couple drops of oil. (Like spray-penetrating oil? Motor Oil? 600w?)

Big Hammer mentions "bearing retainer" and davey mentions greasing the "carrier", did I cover those in the list above, or are these something else?

Thank you again for your help, Andrew

[Big hammer]

Andrew any light oil would work! Just don't spray on or near pressure plate clutch flywheel area. The carrier or what I said about the bearing retainer I think are one in the same. You will need to move the pedal in and out to work the oil in. Keep us update :-)

[Bob C]

This is the bearing retainer.

Bob

[Jacksonlll]

Sure sounds like the pilot brg is dragging. I dont think you can get to it to get a little oil in there. If you took the pressure plate loose, could you slide it and the disk rearward and oil the brg?????