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Huckster · 05-09-2010, 08:15 PM

Has anyone seen a stamping on the rear cross member?
I have a 31 pickup and could not find the vin stamping on the frame but i did find this one on the rear cross member.

Bassman/NZ · 05-09-2010, 10:21 PM

I cant find a stamping on my frame at all, but the first subframe crossmember in my 28 tudor has a five figure number with a prefix stamped on the left side.

Mike V. Florida · 05-09-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassman/NZ

I cant find a stamping on my frame at all, but the first subframe crossmember in my 28 tudor has a five figure number with a prefix stamped on the left side.

Can you read the prefix? It should be the assembly plant from what I have read.

Bassman/NZ · 05-09-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Can you read the prefix? It should be the assembly plant from what I have read.

The prefix is "F".

Bassman/NZ · 05-09-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by forever4

So that goes back to the question/theory of whether the F stands for "Fordson", the previous pre 1927 name of the Rouge complex, or Ford, Ontario (later called Walkerville and East Windsor Ontario), where Ford of Canada was.

Canada supplied most of the export models for the British Empire, whereas the Rouge supplied RHD for South America.

I say 'F' most likely means Ford, Ontario, but I am in the minority on this view.

I'm in New Zealand, so that sounds most likely, as most American cars to come in to this country came from Canada..

Tom Wesenberg · 05-09-2010, 11:30 PM

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I was told that only the Twin Cities plant stamped the rear crossmember as you show. My 28 Phaeton has "P8" and my 29 Tudor has "T0". The "P" stands for "Phaeton" and the "T" stands for "Tudor". The "0" stands for "10" leaf rear spring.

The "PU" on your frame stands for "pickup" and the "0" stands for 10 leaf rear spring. It looks like someone on the assembly line got carried away with the triple "0". If you look for your body number it will probably start with "TC" which stands for Twin Cities assembly plant. The body numer will be in the area where the driver's heel would be if he sits with his feet straight down.

Steve Plucker · 05-09-2010, 11:34 PM

I would not necessarly say you are in the minority Vince.

I have reminants of two Closed Cab Pickup bodys wit the "F" on the body subcross rail. Bodys had the single slotted screws in them.

Bassman/NZ...does your CCPU have single slotted screws or the Robenson type screws?

Just a thought.

Pluck

Rowdy · 05-09-2010, 11:37 PM

I was told the same thing Tom.

Steve Plucker · 05-09-2010, 11:46 PM

Bassman...does your 1928 Tudor with the "F" stamping have the single slotted screws or the robinson type screws?

Pluck

Steve Plucker · 05-09-2010, 11:48 PM

Is the gas tank dated?

Pluck

Mike V. Florida · 05-10-2010, 12:12 AM

This is from Jim Masons' site. http://jmodela.com/

Tudortomnz · 05-10-2010, 01:13 AM

Fordson name was used to sometime in 1929 when whole new larger complex renamed Rouge. This is documented.

Concerning NZ '28 Tudor with 'F'. I have body & engine numbers of many Model A's in NZ & they all have 'F' [except for Murray & Briggs.] & most had Robertson trim screws. I believe Briggs Cabriolets here had slotted trim screws but not sure for '28-'29 Briggs fabric back Fordors. [ only Briggs Fordor we received].
G'day to all on new Forum!!

RTC1930 · 05-10-2010, 11:53 AM

I wish I could see my stamping but it either wore off or was never stamped. I just refinished the frame last year (body off) and no indication of a stamp at all, rail is perfectly smooth. I'm 99% sure its the original motor but without the frame stamp its only 99%. Title matches.

Bob NJ

Tom Wesenberg · 05-10-2010, 12:06 PM

"Here's a strange", as Paul Harvey used to say. Roadsters are supposed to have a 7 leaf rear spring, so why is this original Roadster frame stamped "R8"? Did factory rumble seat Roadsters come with 8 leaves?

Huckster · 05-10-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

I was told that only the Twin Cities plant stamped the rear crossmember as you show. My 28 Phaeton has "P8" and my 29 Tudor has "T0". The "P" stands for "Phaeton" and the "T" stands for "Tudor". The "0" stands for "10" leaf rear spring.

The "PU" on your frame stands for "pickup" and the "0" stands for 10 leaf rear spring. It looks like someone on the assembly line got carried away with the triple "0". If you look for your body number it will probably start with "TC" which stands for Twin Cities assembly plant. The body numer will be in the area where the driver's heel would be if he sits with his feet straight down.

The cab is stamped TC. The chasis is in very good shape,it has no pitting at all
but i cannot find the vin number. I was wondering if they stamped all or did they miss some. I guess we may never know.

Tom Wesenberg · 05-10-2010, 04:06 PM

The motor number is stamped into the frame usually about where the clutch pedal shaft is and I usually find it stamped near the vertical edge. It is probably stamped near the edge because the vertical edge of the frame would offer very good support for stamping. The body and splash apron needs to be off or at lease lifted a few inches in order to read the number.

Michael in Sedona · 05-10-2010, 04:06 PM

Take a look at the "Assembly Plants and Body Numbers" research done by Dave Sturges that is posted in the Data Section of the MAFCA website.

Based on Dave's research, the "F" stamp usually means Detroit (Rouge), but he goes on to mention that an almost equal number of "F" stamped cars were either U.S. assembled or Canadian assembled.

Interesting stuff. Several years ago I looked at the cross-member stamp on my '29 Tudor, and found that it was assembled in Seattle. The stamp begins with "AS". Interesting, since I purchased the car about 7 years ago in Grayland, WA, not that far from where it was originally assembled. It was rescued from an eastern Oregon barley ranch, where it had sat upside down behind a barn for 30 years with a frozen engine and a missing drive shaft.

Steve Ciccalone · 05-10-2010, 04:14 PM

A189 is a roadster with a body number of F52. This is clearly a Rouge car. If a car is three or four digits, if the body has an F prefix it is clearly from the Rouge as Canadian production had not started.

Huckster · 05-10-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

The motor number is stamped into the frame usually about where the clutch pedal shaft is and I usually find it stamped near the vertical edge. It is probably stamped near the edge because the vertical edge of the frame would offer very good support for stamping. The body and splash apron needs to be off or at lease lifted a few inches in order to read the number.

I have the entire body off and it just doesnt seem to be there.
I have been told also that sometimes they would fall behind and to check farther toward the rear but its not there either.

05-09-2010, 10:21 PM	#2
Bassman/NZ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier, New Zealand Posts: 2,001	Re: chassis stampings I cant find a stamping on my frame at all, but the first subframe crossmember in my 28 tudor has a five figure number with a prefix stamped on the left side.

05-09-2010, 11:30 PM	#6
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: chassis stampings Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I was told that only the Twin Cities plant stamped the rear crossmember as you show. My 28 Phaeton has "P8" and my 29 Tudor has "T0". The "P" stands for "Phaeton" and the "T" stands for "Tudor". The "0" stands for "10" leaf rear spring. The "PU" on your frame stands for "pickup" and the "0" stands for 10 leaf rear spring. It looks like someone on the assembly line got carried away with the triple "0". If you look for your body number it will probably start with "TC" which stands for Twin Cities assembly plant. The body numer will be in the area where the driver's heel would be if he sits with his feet straight down.

05-09-2010, 11:34 PM	#7
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: chassis stampings I would not necessarly say you are in the minority Vince. I have reminants of two Closed Cab Pickup bodys wit the "F" on the body subcross rail. Bodys had the single slotted screws in them. Bassman/NZ...does your CCPU have single slotted screws or the Robenson type screws? Just a thought. Pluck

05-09-2010, 11:37 PM	#8
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: chassis stampings I was told the same thing Tom. __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

05-09-2010, 11:46 PM	#9
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Boy did I get screwd up... Bassman...does your 1928 Tudor with the "F" stamping have the single slotted screws or the robinson type screws? Pluck

05-09-2010, 11:48 PM	#10
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: chassis stampings Is the gas tank dated? Pluck

05-10-2010, 12:12 AM	#11
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: chassis stampings This is from Jim Masons' site. http://jmodela.com/ __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

05-10-2010, 01:13 AM	#12
Tudortomnz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canterbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,242	Re: chassis stampings Fordson name was used to sometime in 1929 when whole new larger complex renamed Rouge. This is documented. Concerning NZ '28 Tudor with 'F'. I have body & engine numbers of many Model A's in NZ & they all have 'F' [except for Murray & Briggs.] & most had Robertson trim screws. I believe Briggs Cabriolets here had slotted trim screws but not sure for '28-'29 Briggs fabric back Fordors. [ only Briggs Fordor we received]. G'day to all on new Forum!!

05-10-2010, 11:53 AM	#13
RTC1930 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Stockholm, NJ Posts: 106	Re: chassis stampings I wish I could see my stamping but it either wore off or was never stamped. I just refinished the frame last year (body off) and no indication of a stamp at all, rail is perfectly smooth. I'm 99% sure its the original motor but without the frame stamp its only 99%. Title matches. Bob NJ

05-10-2010, 12:06 PM	#14
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: chassis stampings "Here's a strange", as Paul Harvey used to say. Roadsters are supposed to have a 7 leaf rear spring, so why is this original Roadster frame stamped "R8"? Did factory rumble seat Roadsters come with 8 leaves?

05-10-2010, 04:06 PM	#16
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: chassis stampings The motor number is stamped into the frame usually about where the clutch pedal shaft is and I usually find it stamped near the vertical edge. It is probably stamped near the edge because the vertical edge of the frame would offer very good support for stamping. The body and splash apron needs to be off or at lease lifted a few inches in order to read the number.

05-10-2010, 04:06 PM	#17
Michael in Sedona Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sedona, Arizona Posts: 178	Re: chassis stampings Take a look at the "Assembly Plants and Body Numbers" research done by Dave Sturges that is posted in the Data Section of the MAFCA website. Based on Dave's research, the "F" stamp usually means Detroit (Rouge), but he goes on to mention that an almost equal number of "F" stamped cars were either U.S. assembled or Canadian assembled. Interesting stuff. Several years ago I looked at the cross-member stamp on my '29 Tudor, and found that it was assembled in Seattle. The stamp begins with "AS". Interesting, since I purchased the car about 7 years ago in Grayland, WA, not that far from where it was originally assembled. It was rescued from an eastern Oregon barley ranch, where it had sat upside down behind a barn for 30 years with a frozen engine and a missing drive shaft.

05-10-2010, 04:14 PM	#18
Steve Ciccalone Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: "Live Free or Die!" Posts: 510	Re: chassis stampings A189 is a roadster with a body number of F52. This is clearly a Rouge car. If a car is three or four digits, if the body has an F prefix it is clearly from the Rouge as Canadian production had not started.