Inside door handle deletes

[rich b]

Anybody have an idea what these were for; or if they are even Ford parts.

The parts may resemble late '50s interior handles.

They fit over door and window crank splines and snap into place with an internal spring.

Part number 1A-18333 9280

[marko39]

Could they be used when car was equipped with electric windows?

[Jerold Ebke]

Maybe early version of child proof windows or doors. 😃

[maneri]

to remove rear inside door handles --GM - child proof -

[5851a]

I believe as others was early form of child lock outs. My Dad installed a set on our 56 Mercury 4 door rear doors when my little brother became a toddler.

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by rich b

Anybody have an idea what these were for; or if they are even Ford parts.

The parts may resemble late '50s interior handles.

They fit over door and window crank splines and snap into place with an internal spring.

Part number 1A-18333 9280

Originally Posted by marko39

Could they be used when car was equipped with electric windows?

GIVE THE MAN A CUPIE DOLL - WE HAVE A WINNER!

Shown On 1954 FORD -

[scicala]

My guess would be for the back doors of a police car.

Sal

[rich b]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

GIVE THE MAN A CUPIE DOLL - WE HAVE A WINNER!

Shown On 1954 FORD -

Thank you! Great info on a pretty obscure part.

[KULTULZ]

It surprised me. I had no idea of how and why.

BASIC PN 18333 is also used for the rear door safety lock kits but they secure the lock knob(s).

1A 18333 was deleted from the 1949/59 FORD MPC FINAL ISSUE.

PREFIX 1A translate to 51 FORD.

[5851a]

Just curious if that part is different from the power window crank hole cover. There would be no splined crank handle shaft on power windows. Wonder how they attached it to the door panel? Just asking because has me thinking. 54 first year for power windows for Ford since the Sportsman but 51 part number. Now I'll not sleep since I don't have any books that go past 65.

[GLAmes]

I still have the original door panels for my '54 with electric windows. The driver's side has a hole corresponding to where the window crank handle would be as does the passenger door. There could be other applications I'm sure. However, that puts me in a dilemma. Trying to restore this car as close to original as possible I have just learned I need more pieces. @ rich b, do you have two for sale? p.s. I have the doors from a '54 merc that had power windows. One of them has a medallion with, I'm guessing, an early Merc design. It has a holder that attaches to the panel. Those doors will be for sale pretty soon. Only difference from a hardtop '54 is the holes for the outside stainless trim.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by GLAmes

I still have the original door panels for my '54 with electric windows. The driver's side has a hole corresponding to where the window crank handle would be as does the passenger door. There could be other applications I'm sure. However, that puts me in a dilemma. Trying to restore this car as close to original as possible I have just learned I need more pieces. @ rich b, do you have two for sale?

TRY HERE - https://forums.aaca.org/topic/358232...953-1954-1955/

[paul2748]

To keep everything simple (and cheap) The holes may have been in the backing board regardless of power or non power windows (back then, power windows were fairly rare). If power windows, the material would cover the holes for manual window cranks. On some back boards, I have seen the partially stamped outline of an option that was possible but not on the particular car.

Originally Posted by GLAmes

I still have the original door panels for my '54 with electric windows. The driver's side has a hole corresponding to where the window crank handle would be as does the passenger door. There could be other applications I'm sure. However, that puts me in a dilemma. Trying to restore this car as close to original as possible I have just learned I need more pieces. @ rich b, do you have two for sale? p.s. I have the doors from a '54 merc that had power windows. One of them has a medallion with, I'm guessing, an early Merc design. It has a holder that attaches to the panel. Those doors will be for sale pretty soon. Only difference from a hardtop '54 is the holes for the outside stainless trim.

[GLAmes]

Originally Posted by paul2748

To keep everything simple (and cheap) The holes may have been in the backing board regardless of power or non power windows (back then, power windows were fairly rare). If power windows, the material would cover the holes for manual window cranks. On some back boards, I have seen the partially stamped outline of an option that was possible but not on the particular car.

Yes, the backing boards have stamped holes and the fabric has holes in it also, both the Ford's and the Merc's. Of course, the ones from the Ford have nothing in them. I can post pictures of the Merc panel that has the medallion, front and back, tomorrow as well as the original Ford panel.

[KULTULZ]

... the ones from the Ford have nothing in them. I can post pictures of the Merc panel that has the medallion, front and back, tomorrow as well as the original Ford panel.

If you could as the FINAL ISSUE MPC has all of this deleted.

[KULTULZ]

IF ...

... this part had more than one use, it's description has been deleted from the MPC. If there was no driveshaft on the regulator, (or FORD used the same regulator), there must be (have been) a retainer to hold that piece to the trim panel.

[GLAmes]

This is the panel from the Merc.

[GLAmes]

From the Ford. On the outside you can see an imprint of something circular and on the inside the imprint of whatever held it in place.

[GLAmes]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

TRY HERE - https://forums.aaca.org/topic/358232...953-1954-1955/

Thanks for the link but they are no longer available.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by GLAmes

From the Ford. On the outside you can see an imprint of something circular and on the inside the imprint of whatever held it in place.

... hmmph ...

It appears it (ornament) had the same inside retainer(s) as the MERC ornament.

THANX! for the photos, muchly appreciated ...

Just might have to rethink this ...

[Merc Cruzer]

Originally Posted by GLAmes

From the Ford. On the outside you can see an imprint of something circular and on the inside the imprint of whatever held it in place.

The circular hole, is where the door handle went. The attached picture is a 53' Mercury, showing the location of window switches, blanking plate medallion, and door handle. Hopefully this will explain all the holes in your door panels.

[GLAmes]

The circular imprint I was referring to is where the blanking plate went.

[GLAmes]

Originally Posted by rich b

Anybody have an idea what these were for; or if they are even Ford parts.

The parts may resemble late '50s interior handles.

They fit over door and window crank splines and snap into place with an internal spring.

Part number 1A-18333 9280

Maybe lost in the mix, so I'll ask again. Do you, by chance, have a couple of them to sell?

[Merc Cruzer]

Sorry for the confusion.

Originally Posted by GLAmes

From the Ford. On the outside you can see an imprint of something circular and on the inside the imprint of whatever held it in place.

The marks on the back of the board, where the blanking plate goes, seams to be misleading:


"They fit over door and window crank splines and snap into place with an internal spring."

[rich b]

Originally Posted by GLAmes

Maybe lost in the mix, so I'll ask again. Do you, by chance, have a couple of them to sell?

Maybe you missed them; but check your private messages and emails concerning the parts.

[GLAmes]

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[GLAmes]

Originally Posted by Merc Cruzer

"They fit over door and window crank splines and snap into place with an internal spring."

That would be true if there were window cranks or a door handle there. As it is there is just a square hole in the backboard so some type of holder is needed.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by 5851a

I believe as others was early form of child lock outs. My Dad installed a set on our 56 Mercury 4 door rear doors when my little brother became a toddler.

Do you remember if these were the the exact replacements he used?

It seems to me that it would be dangerous to go about it in this fashion. If there was a crash it would be almost impossible to get out of the car.

Of course, this was all before RALPH NADER.

[5851a]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Do you remember if these were the the exact replacements he used?

It seems to me that it would be dangerous to go about it in this fashion. If there was a crash it would be almost impossible to get out of the car.

Of course, this was all before RALPH NADER.

Yes they were, the outside door handles still functioned. Same thing as the child guard latches on the rear doors of most every 4 door built since the mid/late 80's. Flip the little lever and the inside handle is non functioning. Remember Dad fighting the spring clips without a proper tool. I stuck around for the language lessons. Think I was 6 or 7.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by 5851a

Yes they were, the outside door handles still functioned. Same thing as the child guard latches on the rear doors of most every 4 door built since the mid/late 80's. Flip the little lever and the inside handle is non functioning.

Remember Dad fighting the spring clips without a proper tool. I stuck around for the language lessons. Think I was 6 or 7.

So, the escutcheons were changed by your dad when children were not going to be in the back seat? This is my confusion (among many others). If the front seat is incapacitated (big word for me) how were the rear seat passengers able to get out before EMS arrived?

There was a button kit available during this period that would have seemed a lot safer in use.

[KULTULZ]

What if ...

These were intended for use with a DEALER INSTALLED POWER WINDOW KIT that used the original manual regulator?

I do not have all the necessary early reference materials to track it down. There had to be an FORD ornament similar to the MERC used on factory POWER-LIFT WINDOWS to keep from having to introduce a separate interior door trim panel ($$$).

[GLAmes]

I can't envision a dealer installed power window conversion. The regulators are completely different, the doors have holes cut into them for the switches and there are wire hanesses that route under the front doors. Too much time and expense for a small gain.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by GLAmes

I can't envision a dealer installed power window conversion. The regulators are completely different, the doors have holes cut into them for the switches and there are wire hanesses that route under the front doors. Too much time and expense for a small gain.

If you study the 1954 power regulator to the pre-1954 regulator, they don't operate as much later REGULATORS do. I can see a kit released to convert the earlier style regulator to power if you consider the regulator gear drive design.

As for wiring, just study a 1955/56 backup lamp kit. It's just like PREGO, it's in there.

If a customer comes in and falls in heat for a certain car but the car doesn't have the option(s) he desires, FORD made available all types of DEALER KITS. Unfortunately, this info was deleted from MPC FINAL ISSUE and one would have to find period correct BODY MANUALS.

The 1954 WSM describes STYLE A and STYLE B POWER-LIFT regulators. Therein lies the secret.

There's something missing in this discussion. I have 1952-54 WSM in storage. Guess I had best get off my duffer ...

BTW - I believe the escutcheon being discussed (CASTING ID NO 1A-18333 0928) has a FORD SERVICE PN B4A 7323876-A if anyone has additional info.

[GLAmes]

I have both Style A and B regulators. Neither resembles the hand crank regulators in my parts car. Backup light kits aren't in the same league as a power window conversion would be. A wire, a switch and two lights. Pretty simple.

[KULTULZ]

Backup light kits aren't in the same league as a power window conversion would be. A wire, a switch and two lights. Pretty simple.

No, not so simple. The OEM kit duplicated the factory install within a box, including factory harnesses. That is what I was trying to get across.

[GLAmes]

Still, the harness is one wire to the rear. The lights ground to the body. A switch is added to the steering column base and a hot wire is plugged into the main harness. The whole procedure could be done in a couple hours. Replacing regulators and adding a complex wire harness with relays, switches, motors and fuses would require dissassembly of the interior and a skilled mechanic. I'm dreading the day after I get my car back from the paint shop that I go to install the stuff in the doors. The harness was strung with nothing in the interior, the doors removed and front clip off. Not too difficult that way. Not so easy if the car is assembled. Would someone pay the cost of all that just to not have to use a hand crank for the windows. I don't think so.

[KULTULZ]

Would someone pay the cost of all that just to not have to use a hand crank for the windows. I don't think so.

FORD would have not had the kits available if they would not sell.

The kit would have most likely used the manual regulator with modification(s). Like I said, I need earlier model years info which is available but expensive.

A DEALER would have had at the least one TECH that would specialize in warranty work and another that specialized in modifying new cars.

All I am saying is that the part shown would have been too expensive for FORD to release as an ornament (IMO). Look at the MERC ornament. It had another use.

As my DISCLAIMER states, your opinion and mileage may vary.

[5851a]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

So, the escutcheons were changed by your dad when children were not going to be in the back seat? This is my confusion (among many others). If the front seat is incapacitated (big word for me) how were the rear seat passengers able to get out before EMS arrived?

There was a button kit available during this period that would have seemed a lot safer in use.

We would have got out the same way we would have if we had been in the rear of our 2 door 53 Mercury. Some parents didn't like 4 drs with young kids.