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bluesalomon · 11-03-2015, 08:06 AM

I am swapping out a six cylinder 223 to a y block 239 and I am told that I need a new front engine support bracket,. The original p/n is B4C 5057-A. Does anyone have one they are willing to sell? I live in Ct. Reasonable price would be appreciated.

Thanks

dmsfrr · 11-03-2015, 10:53 AM

Do you already have a good running 239 to put in the truck? For my 2¢ worth go with at least a 272. The y-blocks thru 312 look virtually the same and you get more cubic inches.
Depending on supplies in your area I've been told that some '54 y-block engine parts, like cam bearings, can be almost impossible to find.
'54 was the first year for y-blocks and some engine parts are year specific and not easily interchangeable with '55 & newer; intake manifold, distributor, oil pump drive, ....
If you can find someone swapping the original engine out of a '55 thru early 60's pickup to a newer engine & trans you can get most everything you need.
If you have or get a y-block engine from a 'car' there are even more parts that need to be changed; the timing cover, the oil-pan and it's oil pickup tube & the dipstick tube, exhaust manifolds(?) ......

Front motor mount bracket -
Look in the 'Swap Meet/For Sale' ads on this site for anyone selling '54-'64 pickup parts and ask them.
Join a local 50's Ford car/truck club and ask the members who've 'Been there and done that'. There are also several early Ford 'truck' website forums where you can ask. Craigslist and ebay are also options.
Make sure you know exactly what the mount you need looks like so you don't accidentally end up with the wrong one.
The correct timing chain cover has extended bosses for the lower 4 bolt holes that the front motor support bolts up against. Like the red one in the photos below.

bluesalomon · 11-03-2015, 11:30 AM

Thanks. I already have the 239. It is actually my wifes truck. I am looking to keep it all stock also she doesn't want a hotrod. Thanks for your input!

dmsfrr · 11-03-2015, 11:47 AM

How complete is the 239 and what did it come out of?

Here are 2 photos of a front motor mount bracket I found in a '55 T-bird.
It may be much like the ones in the trucks, I do not know for sure.
I don't know anyone with an original 50's pickup well enough to have been this far under the hood of their truck.

packrat5 · 11-04-2015, 11:07 AM

I'm not sure but, the 54 engines I think had a different front timing cover. I have one, I could check. Also, there were 2 different styles mounts, one like the pictures, and one with a wider spread on the mount bolts. I also have those. It's been quite a while, so I may be off base. At any rate, the cross member mounting holes is what you need to know to fit your existing cross member. The front cover problem can be solved by just making some spacers to square out the mounting bosses on the cover. You will also need a water pump, and the mount for the fan as the fan mounted on that, rather the water pump itself. Those water pumps can be very difficult to find, especially for the 239 engine. All said, the easiest route is a 272-292-312 engine. Much easier to get the offending parts, and frankly, an all around better engine. If you do decide to go with a later engine, I may have everything you need.

dmsfrr · 11-04-2015, 01:36 PM

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Two photos: a 239 timing cover showing the smaller water-pump recess.
The high mounted radiator fan on a y-block in a '55 pickup.

packrat5 · 11-04-2015, 07:55 PM

You know, when you put everything together, and the fact you are striving for originality, the idea of just skipping the 8 cyl. and repairing/rebuilding the 6 cyl might make more sense. It's true it's a bolt-in, BUT it's a major bolt-in, and requires a lot of parts that may be not only hard to get but prohibitively expensive. Plus add to the fact that the 239 was not only not a real good engine, it did not have much more power than the 6 cyl. As I said, for the 239, or the 292, I may have most or all the parts you need, it's your decision. If you are not real adept at this, and do not have the means to tear apart the truck to do it, just fix the 6 cyl. Understand this is only my opinion, and it's your truck, think it over carefully before you dive in. I'm only trying to help you see what this might become. Now maybe you can understand why a lot of guys just install a Windsor or an FE engine or even euew! a chevy, and improve the trans, and the rest of the truck at the same time. It's easier, and cheaper. Thus endeth the sermon for the day.

RCM · 11-05-2015, 09:19 AM

Sixes rule!

dmsfrr · 11-05-2015, 03:12 PM

One of the strongest running trucks I ever had was a '78 E150, 300ci straight six & 3spd w/od floor shift.
Hooked a 20ft tandem axle trailer to it with a 2500+ lb 16ft satellite dish on the trailer and towed it 450 miles along the Rockies from Denver to Albuquerque, did all the hills at the speed limit (or better) the whole way.

packrat5 · 11-05-2015, 08:51 PM

I don't know if anyone knows this or not but, bluesalmon is all over the internet Ford sites, trying to get the answer he wants to hear. Of course all the replies are different, and no one is detailing the complexity and the cost of this, as he also specifies "reasonable price". He fails to mention the fact he wants originality as well. Also, no one has mentioned the fact that the 239 is basically a different engine than the later engines, and a lot of later stuff won't work.

dmsfrr · 11-06-2015, 09:56 AM

This showed up along with my other messages from epay this morning.
Description says it's for a Ford truck y-block.
The seller must think it's gold plated or something.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131645787543...witem=&vxp=mtr

bluesalomon · 11-15-2015, 07:58 AM

Thank you all for your help. I have a complete 239 including transmission. I bought it from a guy who said it was in excellent running condition and since it has the same three speed as my 223, i don't think I will have a mounting issue there. The front of the engine rests a crossbar(crossmember) with three holes in it. The front mounting hardware is already on the engine and needs to be bolted to the crossmember. I am confused by the comments about cost...the engine and trans cost me 600. The only things I think I need are a new radiator and the crossmember...correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks again for all the replies!

dmsfrr · 11-15-2015, 05:49 PM

Oil pan --- on the 239 engine you have, is the deeper half of the oil pan at the front or back?

IIRC, the 'car' engines have it in the front and trucks have it at the back of the engine.

11-03-2015, 08:06 AM	#1
bluesalomon Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3	1954 f100 front engine support bracket I am swapping out a six cylinder 223 to a y block 239 and I am told that I need a new front engine support bracket,. The original p/n is B4C 5057-A. Does anyone have one they are willing to sell? I live in Ct. Reasonable price would be appreciated. Thanks

11-03-2015, 11:30 AM	#3
bluesalomon Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket Thanks. I already have the 239. It is actually my wifes truck. I am looking to keep it all stock also she doesn't want a hotrod. Thanks for your input!

11-04-2015, 11:07 AM	#5
packrat5 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 301	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket I'm not sure but, the 54 engines I think had a different front timing cover. I have one, I could check. Also, there were 2 different styles mounts, one like the pictures, and one with a wider spread on the mount bolts. I also have those. It's been quite a while, so I may be off base. At any rate, the cross member mounting holes is what you need to know to fit your existing cross member. The front cover problem can be solved by just making some spacers to square out the mounting bosses on the cover. You will also need a water pump, and the mount for the fan as the fan mounted on that, rather the water pump itself. Those water pumps can be very difficult to find, especially for the 239 engine. All said, the easiest route is a 272-292-312 engine. Much easier to get the offending parts, and frankly, an all around better engine. If you do decide to go with a later engine, I may have everything you need.

11-04-2015, 07:55 PM	#7
packrat5 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 301	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket You know, when you put everything together, and the fact you are striving for originality, the idea of just skipping the 8 cyl. and repairing/rebuilding the 6 cyl might make more sense. It's true it's a bolt-in, BUT it's a major bolt-in, and requires a lot of parts that may be not only hard to get but prohibitively expensive. Plus add to the fact that the 239 was not only not a real good engine, it did not have much more power than the 6 cyl. As I said, for the 239, or the 292, I may have most or all the parts you need, it's your decision. If you are not real adept at this, and do not have the means to tear apart the truck to do it, just fix the 6 cyl. Understand this is only my opinion, and it's your truck, think it over carefully before you dive in. I'm only trying to help you see what this might become. Now maybe you can understand why a lot of guys just install a Windsor or an FE engine or even euew! a chevy, and improve the trans, and the rest of the truck at the same time. It's easier, and cheaper. Thus endeth the sermon for the day. Last edited by packrat5; 11-04-2015 at 08:12 PM.

11-05-2015, 09:19 AM	#8
RCM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Portugal Posts: 374	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket Sixes rule!

11-05-2015, 03:12 PM	#9
dmsfrr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Abq, NM Posts: 3,607	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket One of the strongest running trucks I ever had was a '78 E150, 300ci straight six & 3spd w/od floor shift. Hooked a 20ft tandem axle trailer to it with a 2500+ lb 16ft satellite dish on the trailer and towed it 450 miles along the Rockies from Denver to Albuquerque, did all the hills at the speed limit (or better) the whole way.

11-05-2015, 08:51 PM	#10
packrat5 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 301	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket I don't know if anyone knows this or not but, bluesalmon is all over the internet Ford sites, trying to get the answer he wants to hear. Of course all the replies are different, and no one is detailing the complexity and the cost of this, as he also specifies "reasonable price". He fails to mention the fact he wants originality as well. Also, no one has mentioned the fact that the 239 is basically a different engine than the later engines, and a lot of later stuff won't work.

11-15-2015, 07:58 AM	#12
bluesalomon Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket Thank you all for your help. I have a complete 239 including transmission. I bought it from a guy who said it was in excellent running condition and since it has the same three speed as my 223, i don't think I will have a mounting issue there. The front of the engine rests a crossbar(crossmember) with three holes in it. The front mounting hardware is already on the engine and needs to be bolted to the crossmember. I am confused by the comments about cost...the engine and trans cost me 600. The only things I think I need are a new radiator and the crossmember...correct me if I am wrong. Thanks again for all the replies!

11-15-2015, 05:49 PM	#13
dmsfrr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Abq, NM Posts: 3,607	Re: 1954 f100 front engine support bracket Oil pan --- on the 239 engine you have, is the deeper half of the oil pan at the front or back? IIRC, the 'car' engines have it in the front and trucks have it at the back of the engine.