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01-15-2019, 06:30 PM | #1 |
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Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Hello,
who knows the force for turn on the rear shaft drum nuts? It means the torque craft with torque wrench. Thanks in advance!
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01-15-2019, 07:25 PM | #2 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
The axle shaft to hub nut is 100-125#. Tighten to about 100# and then tighten until cotter can be installed. If you're talking about the wheel fasteners/lug nuts, they are 55#.
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01-15-2019, 07:40 PM | #3 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
I'm not understanding too well. By "Torque Craft" do you mean Kraft, Starke ? Kraft and Starke mean power, strength I think. I think you are asking how much Torque on the rear axle shaft nut? The specifications call for 100 Lbs (English) Metric? I don't know. It's one Foot, about a 30 centimeters radius long wrench, with about 45 kilos turning force. I hope this helps you! Gluck Auf!
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01-15-2019, 09:39 PM | #4 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Lug nuts are 50-55 foot pounds.
Rear axle shaft nut is 100 foot pounds. Source is Brattons catalog. |
01-16-2019, 12:30 AM | #5 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Rear axle shaft nut torque:
Drehmoment der Hinterachsschaftmutter: 100-125 foot-pounds = 135-170 N-m
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01-16-2019, 06:42 AM | #7 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Good morning,
many thanks at all for helping. Also the nice discription "30 cm mit 45 kg". ;-) "Hau Ruck"!
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01-16-2019, 04:37 PM | #9 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Hello,
I have now torqued the shaft nut. But on one side I can hear and feel a little bit noise, if I turn the drum click-cklick vorward/retard. I think, it is light tolerance between shaftbar (new) and drum. Before I put one spicer (Snyders) at the konus. May be possible, that I must take two spicers? Is that right?
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Werner, I admire your courage! I don't have the courage to try to answer you in my terrible German, So we will first have to translate a few words.
Vorward--Forward , For ignition the word is advance Shaftbar - Axle ? Spicer- Spacer or what we call a Shim Konus - ????? I believe you can put two spacers/shims between these parts. This is not something I'm very familiar with so someone else may say no you shouldn't. Terry Bitte! Ich Lerne Deutsch! Quote:
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My German is about as good as my Vietnamese or Hmong ... maybe Werner is referring to the "play" or "slop" in spider gears to Axle gear with one wheel on the ground? Maybe someone can translate? Maybe one axle gear is worn more than the other side so there is "slop" one side only? Is there actual movement between hub and axle when it clicks? If nut is tightened to 110 lbs then there should not be movement. If turning drum, without wheel mounted, and it clicks ... Are studs swaged to hub/drum? Last edited by Benson; 01-17-2019 at 04:04 PM. Reason: swagged ----> swaged |
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01-16-2019, 12:21 PM | #13 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
I torque the nut and do not put the cotter pin in until after I have driven the car around the block, re-tighten and then install the pin. This insures that the axle and hub are seated-in properly.
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01-16-2019, 07:27 PM | #14 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
I think maybe the brake drum is rubbing on a brake shoe. Not enough clearance. You could put a rear axle shim between the drum and axle and see if that helps. You can also see if there are any shiny spots on the inside of the drum to see just where it is rubbing.
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01-16-2019, 10:33 PM | #15 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Was over your way a couple years ago and was talking to a guy that had 5 Model A 's He was around Verden ..He worked in a Mercedes resto shop...Heading back this year .
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Werner, check to see if the pin in the parking brake linkage is in correctly, the cotter pin should be on the back side. If not the end of the pin will click,click on the back side of the wheel studs.
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
If one uses a .005" axle shim it will move the hub out on the axle a lot more than .005".
Anyone know how much? Or how to calculate it?
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I wouldn't use axle shims (spacers) unless absolutely necessary, they can cause problems after awhile. You probably don't need them, put the car together and drive it for a few kilos, the brakes will probably wear-in. ( wear the high spots down) I spent 14 months in Nurnberg, the people were great!
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01-18-2019, 12:42 PM | #19 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Once the nut is torqued there should be no looseness between the hub and axle. Is it possible the nut gets tight before the hub is all the way onto the axle? Maybe a heavy washer needs to be used between the nut and the hub?
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01-18-2019, 02:03 PM | #20 |
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Re: Rear axle shaft nut, how to turn on
Hello Jim,
the way of the drum is enough on the axle shaft. I put the fiber gasket too between nut and washer. I try to put in a second shim on the shaft. The key is new. Today I found an other problem. While I wantet to renew the outer grease seal (Simmering) I saw some big corrosion on the rolls of the bearing and much deep wholes in the hub. - 15 miles behind Nürnberg I was on the shool for 10 years.
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