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Mart · 11-20-2012, 01:33 PM

Does the 2nd gear spin freely on the output shaft?
Does the pilot bearing between the input and output shafts spin freely?

Mart.

rotorwrench · 11-20-2012, 05:26 PM

You might have an issue with the shifter forks. I would try shifting the sychro and low reverse without the top on and see if it rotates. The low reverse should be pretty easy to slide but that 6-ball syncro might be a bit stiff to engage by hand. At least that way you can watch what is going on in there and see if it will turn.

Terry,OH · 11-20-2012, 05:53 PM

Why is the front oil slinger so chewed up?

bmwillia · 11-20-2012, 08:59 PM

Mart,

The second gear does not spin freely on the output shaft. If you mean does it spin separately from the shaft.

The bearing does spin freely.

Rotor,

I'll try that and see whats going on.

Terry,

There was a ball bearing that got loose in the tranny and ended up getting between the main drive gear and the oil baffle and messed it up pretty bad. I am going to order a new one.

Mart · 11-21-2012, 04:14 AM

The 2nd gear should spin freely on the shaft. It has to rotate on the shaft when in any gear other than 2nd. Rotating freely with minimum wobble and end play is the ideal.

Mart.

George/Maine · 11-21-2012, 07:53 AM

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If you have it apart and remove the cluster or 2nd gear.
Put the shaft together up into the input shaft and all bolt tight.
Look and see if the TWO shafts are rubbing together.
On end should be bearing and ring washer.
The shafts could be binding there.

rotorwrench · 11-21-2012, 03:28 PM

To add to what Mart stated, the plunger & key with the brass bushing & thrust washers all have to be in good condition or there can be problems there on that second gear. They used that set up up to 39 then did away with the locking feature. That second gear would have to be smooth rotating or you may have a lot of drag there.

bmwillia · 11-21-2012, 05:09 PM

So I should be able to hold the shaft and turn the gear right?

The gear is a good used one from Mac VP. and the thrust washer is in good shape. I guess the only thing in question is the brass sleeve/bushing.

rotorwrench · 11-21-2012, 06:18 PM

Those old transmissions (32 to 38) have a locking key with a plunger & spring that mount under the brass bushing in one of the splines of the main shaft. The plunger pin & spring fit into a hole on one of those splines and the key is locked in by the plunger in that spline. The 2nd gear then slips over the brass bushing & free wheels there until the synchro locks the gear to the shaft when you select 2nd gear. There is a hole between two of the teeth in the gear to push a 3/32" punch down into to depress the plunger so it can be disassembled. I'm wondering if your transmission has all of these parts or something else?

Terry,OH · 11-21-2012, 06:53 PM

rotorwrench is 100% correct. When in neutral the second gear should spin on the bushing. From your photos the 1st-Reverse slider gear has a LOT of wear on the 1st gear side(cluster). What does the cluster look like just as much wear on the slider side? The wear may make it difficult for the slider to engage the cluster when your trying to get into 1st gear.

bmwillia · 11-22-2012, 06:54 AM

Terry,

The second gear, cluster gear, and idle reverse gear are all good condition used from Mac VP.

I have replaced all the bearings and thrust washers as well. I am about to order new oil baffles and it sounds like a new bushing from Mac VP as well.

Rotor,

My tranny has all of those parts, and I have the second off of the shaft now.

Sounds like my second gear is binding everything up in neutral due to the fact that it is not spinning freely on the bushing.

Thanks for your input guys!

I'll keep you posted.

George/Maine · 11-22-2012, 07:19 AM

If you slide the 2nd gear off with no problem thats not the problem.
The 4 bolts on the throwout bearing" what sha ma call it" lossing the bolts and tap out little and see if it feels up.
Also the bearing in the input shaft and cluster,
go like short in shaft,short to front,odd one goes to rev end.

David J · 11-22-2012, 12:16 PM

Brad , These two parts will cure it . Jennie Ford NOS . The sleeve falls out of the gear when held horizontal - like it should . As per our discussion having to press the bushing in is bad . Send your address again and I'll fire these at-ya . Besides the NOS syncro will like this NOS gear . Aren't old Fords fun ??? Do replace the baffle though as it will let way too much fluid by . Ask Fibber how much fluid gets by a bent rear one !

The second gear does not spin freely on the output shaft.
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bmwillia · 12-15-2012, 05:35 PM

Well I finally got everything figured out!

Thanks to everyone here for your input and advice! Turns out the syncro was backwards and the bushing for second gear was too tight. After getting a NOS syncro and bushing from David J and new baffles from Mac VP everything is working as it should.

I was able to take the car for a spin today for the first time since I pulled the transmission and it shifted and ran smooth.

The great part was that my dad got to drive the car for the first time since 1961 when my grandfather had him take it out to the barn for storage. The smile on his face was priceless. I only wish my grandfather could have been there.

Here is a link to a youtube video of us pulling back in the driveway after our ride. Its a little grainy:

http://youtu.be/5l-Q47a9KBM

Thanks again barners and especially David J and MacVP! I could not have done it with out you!

11-20-2012, 01:33 PM	#21
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,774	Re: transmission question Does the 2nd gear spin freely on the output shaft? Does the pilot bearing between the input and output shafts spin freely? Mart.

11-20-2012, 05:26 PM	#22
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,483	Re: transmission question You might have an issue with the shifter forks. I would try shifting the sychro and low reverse without the top on and see if it rotates. The low reverse should be pretty easy to slide but that 6-ball syncro might be a bit stiff to engage by hand. At least that way you can watch what is going on in there and see if it will turn. Last edited by rotorwrench; 11-20-2012 at 06:00 PM.

11-20-2012, 05:53 PM	#23
Terry,OH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,779	Re: transmission question Why is the front oil slinger so chewed up?

11-20-2012, 08:59 PM	#24
bmwillia Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 457	Re: transmission question Mart, The second gear does not spin freely on the output shaft. If you mean does it spin separately from the shaft. The bearing does spin freely. Rotor, I'll try that and see whats going on. Terry, There was a ball bearing that got loose in the tranny and ended up getting between the main drive gear and the oil baffle and messed it up pretty bad. I am going to order a new one. __________________ Brad Williamson

11-21-2012, 04:14 AM	#25
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,774	Re: transmission question The 2nd gear should spin freely on the shaft. It has to rotate on the shaft when in any gear other than 2nd. Rotating freely with minimum wobble and end play is the ideal. Mart.

11-21-2012, 07:53 AM	#26
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: transmission question Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) If you have it apart and remove the cluster or 2nd gear. Put the shaft together up into the input shaft and all bolt tight. Look and see if the TWO shafts are rubbing together. On end should be bearing and ring washer. The shafts could be binding there.

11-21-2012, 03:28 PM	#27
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,483	Re: transmission question To add to what Mart stated, the plunger & key with the brass bushing & thrust washers all have to be in good condition or there can be problems there on that second gear. They used that set up up to 39 then did away with the locking feature. That second gear would have to be smooth rotating or you may have a lot of drag there.

11-21-2012, 05:09 PM	#28
bmwillia Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 457	Re: transmission question So I should be able to hold the shaft and turn the gear right? The gear is a good used one from Mac VP. and the thrust washer is in good shape. I guess the only thing in question is the brass sleeve/bushing. __________________ Brad Williamson

11-21-2012, 06:18 PM	#29
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,483	Re: transmission question Those old transmissions (32 to 38) have a locking key with a plunger & spring that mount under the brass bushing in one of the splines of the main shaft. The plunger pin & spring fit into a hole on one of those splines and the key is locked in by the plunger in that spline. The 2nd gear then slips over the brass bushing & free wheels there until the synchro locks the gear to the shaft when you select 2nd gear. There is a hole between two of the teeth in the gear to push a 3/32" punch down into to depress the plunger so it can be disassembled. I'm wondering if your transmission has all of these parts or something else?

11-21-2012, 06:53 PM	#30
Terry,OH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,779	Re: transmission question rotorwrench is 100% correct. When in neutral the second gear should spin on the bushing. From your photos the 1st-Reverse slider gear has a LOT of wear on the 1st gear side(cluster). What does the cluster look like just as much wear on the slider side? The wear may make it difficult for the slider to engage the cluster when your trying to get into 1st gear.

11-22-2012, 06:54 AM	#31
bmwillia Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 457	Re: transmission question Terry, The second gear, cluster gear, and idle reverse gear are all good condition used from Mac VP. I have replaced all the bearings and thrust washers as well. I am about to order new oil baffles and it sounds like a new bushing from Mac VP as well. Rotor, My tranny has all of those parts, and I have the second off of the shaft now. Sounds like my second gear is binding everything up in neutral due to the fact that it is not spinning freely on the bushing. Thanks for your input guys! I'll keep you posted. __________________ Brad Williamson

11-22-2012, 07:19 AM	#32
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: transmission question If you slide the 2nd gear off with no problem thats not the problem. The 4 bolts on the throwout bearing" what sha ma call it" lossing the bolts and tap out little and see if it feels up. Also the bearing in the input shaft and cluster, go like short in shaft,short to front,odd one goes to rev end.

12-15-2012, 05:35 PM	#34
bmwillia Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 457	Re: transmission question Well I finally got everything figured out! Thanks to everyone here for your input and advice! Turns out the syncro was backwards and the bushing for second gear was too tight. After getting a NOS syncro and bushing from David J and new baffles from Mac VP everything is working as it should. I was able to take the car for a spin today for the first time since I pulled the transmission and it shifted and ran smooth. The great part was that my dad got to drive the car for the first time since 1961 when my grandfather had him take it out to the barn for storage. The smile on his face was priceless. I only wish my grandfather could have been there. Here is a link to a youtube video of us pulling back in the driveway after our ride. Its a little grainy: http://youtu.be/5l-Q47a9KBM Thanks again barners and especially David J and MacVP! I could not have done it with out you! __________________ Brad Williamson