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bart78 · 07-30-2011, 01:58 PM

After looking up th number its a 38. It only has one place for a tail light. I have no idea why it has a 37 hood. Allso were they 2 tone the body is green and the fenders are black.

TonyM · 07-30-2011, 01:59 PM

Does your uncle have another old car and does he need another nephew?

TM

bart78 · 07-30-2011, 02:01 PM

He has a few more no more fords just a few old buicks. He use to have some real good cars. had a 40 ford conv. And a few other old fords from the 30's I know one was a 34 5 window.

Kentf1003 · 07-30-2011, 02:57 PM

Welcome to the Barn.

Sure, there's work ahead (pack your lunch). But, what a great model to start with. You have a diamond in the rough.

ford38v8 · 07-30-2011, 03:11 PM

Bart, Your '38 Standard Coupe had a 60 HP engine originally. The serial number is valid, as you discovered, and is about 1/3 through the 1938 production. The body and frame is the same as used for the 85 HP engine, but if any driveline components remain, you will have to replace them if you want to run an 85 HP engine.
You may rejoice that your license lite door somehow escaped being cannibalized, even though it is sometimes hard to find. It is still bright of course, because it is stainless, not chrome. Your bumper brackets also survive, this being equally puzzling, as they literally take a beating and are also kinda hard to find. Your coupe owes it's survival to the fact of it's small engine, as with the large V8, it would have been destroyed on the dirt tracks years ago.

Edit: I should have said that the transmission, if there, would need to be replaced. The differential, while usable, will be a 4.44x1 ratio, worthy only for parades today.

bart78 · 07-30-2011, 03:30 PM

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There is no trans or rear end. I have a 9 inch out of a old bronco I was going to use. I allso have one out of a 51 f1 but i dont know if it will work probably go with the bronco. I have a flathead and trans out of a 47 coupe. and will look for a 4 inch drop front axle. Does Bob drake sale a whole quarter panel for the 38? That baler did a prety good job on the passenger side.

bart78 · 07-30-2011, 03:56 PM

There is allso not anything that looks like there was the stainlees running down the side of the car. I allso saw on craigslist a front end off a 39 sedan and a rearend out of a 39 sedan, they have the brakes and all on them. These will work wont they? And could get the axle droped.

bart78 · 07-30-2011, 05:07 PM

Was told by someone that this was not a 38 they said the wipers were on the top not on the bottom like this one. The things sticking out at the bottom dont turn like wipers and the one hole above the drivers side is not a bullet hole and i have seen pis of some with one wiper.

TonyM · 07-30-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bart78

I have no idea why it has a 37 hood.

The 1938 standard hood looks similar to the 1937 hood.

There is a really nice photo of a 1938 Ford Standard Coupe on page 199 of the 1932-1938 Ford Production Book by DeAngelis and Francis.

TonyM.

ford38v8 · 07-30-2011, 07:11 PM

Bart, Pay no attention to your "someone". He can't tell windshield wipers from windshield cranks.

bart78 · 07-30-2011, 07:41 PM

I wont I prety much figured they were not from what they looked like. Going to order drake catalog tonight so I can look for some sheetmetal. The hood look kinda alike, but the 37 rounds off smooth and the 38 has like a rounded step.

TonyM · 07-30-2011, 07:53 PM

One wiper and 1937 type hood.

TM.

bart78 · 07-30-2011, 08:05 PM

All the 38 standards I have seen have a differant hood. Maybe its an early one and they used up 37 parts. The car allso does not have the stainless on the sides like the others.

bart78 · 07-30-2011, 10:17 PM

Does bob drake make a whole quarter panel for the 38 like the 40 he has on his web sight?

ford38v8 · 07-31-2011, 12:33 AM

A likely reason for the '37 hood would be that the '38 hood had been damaged by the hood prop unique to '37 & 38. The prop is a ratchet type, requiring the hood to be lifted slightly before lowering it to close. Gas jockeys never got the hang of it and most hoods broke at the weakest point, right at the prop. Your '37 hood may have been intended as a replacement which never got installed due to the difference between the two hoods. Examine the hood you have, and if it is not broken at the driver side near the rear, then you have a very valuable part to barter for parts you do need.

bart78 · 07-31-2011, 07:11 AM

You can tell that at some time that someone patched something on the drivers side other than that its in real good shape.

bart78 · 07-31-2011, 07:54 AM

Thanks guys for the help finding help around here will not happen for cars like this. The only thing people are interested in around here is all their diesels. Not many old cars being redone around here.

bart78 · 07-31-2011, 04:34 PM

Will a stock floor pan work with me going to use a trans out of a 47 ford that the motor and trans I have came out of or will I have to change it?

ford38v8 · 07-31-2011, 04:51 PM

It will fit, but yours has 3 on the floor, a '47 is 3 on the tree. Best that you trade the later tranny for an earlier floor shift. A '39 is best, as '38 and '37 synchros aren't as smooth.

bart78 · 07-31-2011, 04:57 PM

I will look for one. That trans will bolt right up to the motor I have?

07-30-2011, 01:58 PM	#61
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe After looking up th number its a 38. It only has one place for a tail light. I have no idea why it has a 37 hood. Allso were they 2 tone the body is green and the fenders are black.

07-30-2011, 01:59 PM	#62
TonyM Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: West Hammond, Illinois Posts: 2,793	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Does your uncle have another old car and does he need another nephew? TM

07-30-2011, 02:01 PM	#63
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe He has a few more no more fords just a few old buicks. He use to have some real good cars. had a 40 ford conv. And a few other old fords from the 30's I know one was a 34 5 window.

07-30-2011, 02:57 PM	#64
Kentf1003 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 138	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Welcome to the Barn. Sure, there's work ahead (pack your lunch). But, what a great model to start with. You have a diamond in the rough.

07-30-2011, 03:11 PM	#65
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,648	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Bart, Your '38 Standard Coupe had a 60 HP engine originally. The serial number is valid, as you discovered, and is about 1/3 through the 1938 production. The body and frame is the same as used for the 85 HP engine, but if any driveline components remain, you will have to replace them if you want to run an 85 HP engine. You may rejoice that your license lite door somehow escaped being cannibalized, even though it is sometimes hard to find. It is still bright of course, because it is stainless, not chrome. Your bumper brackets also survive, this being equally puzzling, as they literally take a beating and are also kinda hard to find. Your coupe owes it's survival to the fact of it's small engine, as with the large V8, it would have been destroyed on the dirt tracks years ago. Edit: I should have said that the transmission, if there, would need to be replaced. The differential, while usable, will be a 4.44x1 ratio, worthy only for parades today. __________________ Alan

07-30-2011, 03:30 PM	#66
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) There is no trans or rear end. I have a 9 inch out of a old bronco I was going to use. I allso have one out of a 51 f1 but i dont know if it will work probably go with the bronco. I have a flathead and trans out of a 47 coupe. and will look for a 4 inch drop front axle. Does Bob drake sale a whole quarter panel for the 38? That baler did a prety good job on the passenger side.

07-30-2011, 03:56 PM	#67
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe There is allso not anything that looks like there was the stainlees running down the side of the car. I allso saw on craigslist a front end off a 39 sedan and a rearend out of a 39 sedan, they have the brakes and all on them. These will work wont they? And could get the axle droped. Last edited by bart78; 07-30-2011 at 04:02 PM.

07-30-2011, 05:07 PM	#68
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Was told by someone that this was not a 38 they said the wipers were on the top not on the bottom like this one. The things sticking out at the bottom dont turn like wipers and the one hole above the drivers side is not a bullet hole and i have seen pis of some with one wiper. Last edited by bart78; 07-30-2011 at 05:41 PM.

07-30-2011, 07:11 PM	#70
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,648	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Bart, Pay no attention to your "someone". He can't tell windshield wipers from windshield cranks. __________________ Alan

07-30-2011, 07:41 PM	#71
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe I wont I prety much figured they were not from what they looked like. Going to order drake catalog tonight so I can look for some sheetmetal. The hood look kinda alike, but the 37 rounds off smooth and the 38 has like a rounded step.

07-30-2011, 07:53 PM	#72
TonyM Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: West Hammond, Illinois Posts: 2,793	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe One wiper and 1937 type hood. TM.

07-30-2011, 08:05 PM	#73
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe All the 38 standards I have seen have a differant hood. Maybe its an early one and they used up 37 parts. The car allso does not have the stainless on the sides like the others.

07-30-2011, 10:17 PM	#74
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Does bob drake make a whole quarter panel for the 38 like the 40 he has on his web sight?

07-31-2011, 12:33 AM	#75
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,648	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe A likely reason for the '37 hood would be that the '38 hood had been damaged by the hood prop unique to '37 & 38. The prop is a ratchet type, requiring the hood to be lifted slightly before lowering it to close. Gas jockeys never got the hang of it and most hoods broke at the weakest point, right at the prop. Your '37 hood may have been intended as a replacement which never got installed due to the difference between the two hoods. Examine the hood you have, and if it is not broken at the driver side near the rear, then you have a very valuable part to barter for parts you do need. __________________ Alan

07-31-2011, 07:11 AM	#76
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe You can tell that at some time that someone patched something on the drivers side other than that its in real good shape.

07-31-2011, 07:54 AM	#77
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Thanks guys for the help finding help around here will not happen for cars like this. The only thing people are interested in around here is all their diesels. Not many old cars being redone around here.

07-31-2011, 04:34 PM	#78
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe Will a stock floor pan work with me going to use a trans out of a 47 ford that the motor and trans I have came out of or will I have to change it?

07-31-2011, 04:51 PM	#79
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,648	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe It will fit, but yours has 3 on the floor, a '47 is 3 on the tree. Best that you trade the later tranny for an earlier floor shift. A '39 is best, as '38 and '37 synchros aren't as smooth. __________________ Alan

07-31-2011, 04:57 PM	#80
bart78 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stephenville tx Posts: 1,019	Re: uncle gave me a 37 ford coupe I will look for one. That trans will bolt right up to the motor I have?