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Old 08-02-2023, 10:23 PM   #1
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This survivor 1938 Ford Standard Coupe was on display at the recent 2023 Early Ford V8 Nationals in Dearborn.
I notice that it has a Chrome plated Windscreen Frame.
Is this correct, or did the Standard models come with Painted Windscreen Frames?
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This survivor 1938 Ford Standard Coupe was on display at the recent 2023 Early Ford V8 Nationals in Dearborn.
I notice that it has a Chrome plated Windscreen Frame.
Is this correct, or did the Standard models come with Painted Windscreen Frames?
Both are correct, one early, the other late. Early '38 Standards had body color windshield frame, together with body striping. Beginning in January, 1938, rustless steel body moldings, grill bars, and windshield frames were adopted for the Standard model.
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Thanks Alan for this information about Early and Late models.
I found this picture of an Early 1938 Ford Standard Coupe.
Notice that this example has a painted Windscreen Frame and painted Stripe.
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SO Ford38V8


One would assume that followed suit across ALL the "standard" body styles?
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mercman > I found this picture of an Early 1938 Ford Standard Coupe.


I believe both the early & late standards had 3 pairs of SS trim strips as shown on the elusive 3 window shown below on the right.




















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Thanks Alan for this information about Early and Late models.
I found this picture of an Early 1938 Ford Standard Coupe.
Notice that this example has a painted Windscreen Frame and painted Stripe.
That’s a pretty rare bird! I’ve never seen one in person, just pictures. Note that with this example, being a Standard, yet it is fitted out with whitewalls, fog light, radio, and peep mirror.
Rockfla, yes, all passenger cars were to make the change over at that time, and dealers were to update stock on hand.
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Early 1938 Ford Sales Brochure showing Deluxe and Standard 1938 Fords.
Notice that the Standard Tudor Sedan doesn't have any SS Trim on the Grille?
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Another Early 1938 Ford Sales Brochure showing Deluxe and Standard 1938 Ford Grilles.
Note the absence of Stainless Steel Trim on the Grille of the Standard model
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All this talk about grille bars... As I recall, Australia made their own rules on many things, including grille bars, did they not?
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This Illustration from the Australian 1938 Ford Sales Brochure show what is supposed to be a 1938 Ford Standard Club Coupe.
This picture actually shows a 1938 Ford Standard Coupe, a body style that was never offered in Australia.
In 1938, Ford Club Coupes were offered here as either Standard or Deluxe models.
It is oblivious that this illustration displays artistic license.
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To answer ford38v8's question, the only year that Ford Australia offered a different appearing Grille was in 1937.
Part way through the 1937 model year, Ford Australia decided to paint all 1937 Ford Grilles body colour and add 4 SS Strips each side.
On this grille, the bottom strips that extend each side of the Crank Hole Trim are missing.
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Sales on the 38 Standard did not take off right away. Henry wanted them dressed up. By early January the stainless Steel was added to the windshield, grill, wiper and pin stripe. Ford instructed the dealers to retrofit the grills on the cars that were still on the lot. So there are legit mix matches out there.
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A friend here in town has what I believe is a "Early" 38 Standard un-restored car. I will try and get by and snag a few photos for this post!!! Great post by the way....learning A Lot!!!
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I got to drive that '38 standard coupe in Dearborn. I'd ilke to own a driver '38 standard coupe someday.
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I was attempting to post images in this thread. To cover up my ineptness, since I know how to edit, but not delete, here are my gear head stats on my V860 coupe:

Standard Coupe
Model: 82A-770A
Weight 2,354,
WB: 112 in.
Original Price: 595
Number Produced: 13,712

1938 V8-60hp
L-head
Displacement: 136
Bore 2.60 x 3.20
Stroke 3.2
Maximum brake horsepower 60 @ 3500 rpm
Torque ft lbs: 94 lbs @ 2500 rpm.
Compression 6.6
Compression at cranking 105
Iron block, Aluminum heads

Transmission gear ratios:
1st gear = 3.070
2nd gear = 1.83
third 1.0
Reverse = 4.015
Lub Capacity 1.75

Rear axle:
Gear ratio 4.44
Teeth pinion 9
Teeth gear 40
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BELOW is a link to an instructional narrative that I wrote-up some time back to help folks figure out how to post pics here on the F'Barn. It's really pretty simple to do. Click on the link!

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Close-up shot of the early production 1938 Ford Standard Coupe
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I remember seeing that early 38 standard coupe at the 2013 meet in Lake Tahoe. It was an amazing condition unrestored car. In the same row of cars were two other 38 standards, one with the side trim and the painted windshield, and the last with all the shiny parts. I can't for the life of me find a picture of all three cars together. Oh well, I'll add another of the very nice early 38 coupe.
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Early 1938 Ford Standard Coupe - 2013 Grand Nationals
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Another angle - 1938 Ford Standard Coupe - 2013 Grand Nationals
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1938 Ford Standard Tudor Sedan with Painted Windshield that Fred mentioned.
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1938 Ford Standard Tudor Sedan with Plated Windshield that Fred mentioned.
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Thanks for posting pictures of all three cars. It was bugging me that I didn't have pictures of them, now I do.
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Comparison shot - 1938 Ford Deluxe Club Coupe and 1938 Ford Standard Coupe - 2013 Grand Nationals
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Thanks again, another picture copied to my files.


Well I'm off to go look at a 38 standard coupe. I hope it is as good in person as it looks in pictures.
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Wondering how I am not seeing these pictures as posted. See script but no pics.
Is it my settings????
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While this Post is about 1938 Ford Standard Coupes, as mentioned in #10, Ford Australia never offered the regular Coupe body style, only Club Coupes in both Standard and Deluxe. This is a picture of an Australian 1938 Ford Standard Club Coupe, a model that was not available in the USA. It is fitted with After-market Head Light Surrounds and also has an extra Tail Light added on the passenger side.
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"1938 Coupe,
I remember seeing that early 38 standard coupe at the 2013 meet in Lake Tahoe. It was an amazing condition unrestored car. In the same row of cars were two other 38 standards, one with the side trim and the painted windshield, and the last with all the shiny parts. I can't for the life of me find a picture of all three cars together. Oh well, I'll add another of the very nice early 38 coupe"

I think I took pics of most every vehicle there at the 2013 GNM in Lake Tahoe, but finding all of them now might take awhile
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Wondering how I am not seeing these pictures as posted. See script but no pics.
Is it my settings????
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Hi Phil, I frequently have the same problem. I don't know what causes it, but have found a tedious method to fix it. I find another thread where someone posted a picture that shows up as a link instead of the picture. I right click the link and select open in new tab. Then I and am asked to log in again. I log in a second time, including the "stay logged in" check box. Once I have done that all the pictures posted are visible. Currently the thread titled 1946 1947 1948 has a link that works for me.
Thread here: https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329394
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Hi Phil, I frequently have the same problem. I don't know what causes it, but have found a tedious method to fix it. I find another thread where someone posted a picture that shows up as a link instead of the picture. I right click the link and select open in new tab. Then I and am asked to log in again. I log in a second time, including the "stay logged in" check box. Once I have done that all the pictures posted are visible. Currently the thread titled 1946 1947 1948 has a link that works for me.
Thread here: https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329394
Yep that was the solution for that. Can now see all pics. Appreciate your assistance as was keen to view these pics as just got a 38 deluxe coupe here in NZ a RHD.
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Slightly off topic question Phil, is your 38 deluxe coupe a business coupe or a club coupe?
I'm curious since I hadn't realized Aussie 38 coupes were all club coupes.
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Forgotten 1938 Ford Standard Club Coupe in Australian bush
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That little coupe was only 34 years old when those pics were snapped!
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Slightly off topic question Phil, is your 38 deluxe coupe a business coupe or a club coupe?
I'm curious since I hadn't realized Aussie 38 coupes were all club coupes.
Its a business coupe.Believe assembled in NZ
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Ok newbie question here, what is the difference between a business coupe and a club coupe please?

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The principal difference is that the club coupe has a back seat. It also has an extended roof for headroom for the back seat passengers. On the American model there were flip-out rear windows for ventilation.
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Ok newbie question here, what is the difference between a business coupe and a club coupe please?
Specific definitions vary depending on model year, but generally speaking, a Business Coupe will have a front seat and ample space behind for transporting items or quantities of items comfortably.
A Club Coupe will have a back seat of smaller dimensions than in a Sedan, usually suitable for children or for two adults.
Exteriors of these two models are sometimes hard to distinguish between, the main differences being in how they are fitted out.
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cars2cool, check out this illustrations of the 1938 Ford Deluxe Coupe and 1938 Ford Deluxe Club Coupe from the original Sales Brochure.
Notice that the Coupe has short doors from a Fordor Sedan while the club Coupe has the longer doors from a Tudor Sedan.
I had to use pictures of the Deluxe models, as Ford in USA never offered a 1938 Ford Standard Club Coupe.
However, Australia did offer a 1938 Ford Standard Club Coupe.
Hope that this helps.
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Illustration of the 1938 Ford Standard Coupe from the original Sales Brochure.
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Fairly recent import into Australia - 1938 Ford Standard Coupe seen at the Australian Early Ford V8 Nationals in 2016.
The fact that this fine example does not have a passenger side rear tail light would mean that it was built as a Right Hand Drive car.
It could have originated in News Zealand or South Africa?
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1938 Ford Standard Coupe seen at the Australian Early Ford V8 Nationals in 2016
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When I was a kid in the 70s, I found a 1938 Standard Coupe in a junkyard in Laredo, Texas. In my ignorance I thought that it was a modified 1937 car. I went home and got out the Warshawsky's catalog and began writing down all the items that I was going to buy to get that car going. I had big plans for that car. But I was just a kid, with no real money. So, it probably was crushed.
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Tony, you probably need to point out to the Fordbarn masses that Warshawsky = J.C. Whitney. The story behind the name would be the subject of another thread....

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When I was a kid in the 70s, I found a 1938 Standard Coupe in a junkyard in Laredo, Texas. In my ignorance I thought that it was a modified 1937 car. I went home and got out the Warshawsky's catalog and began writing down all the items that I was going to buy to get that car going. I had big plans for that car. But I was just a kid, with no real money. So, it probably was crushed.
You either get the Early Ford bug at a young age or it was ingrained into your DNA at conception. The later would be my diagonisis. I cannot help myself.
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Tony, you probably need to point out to the Fordbarn masses that Warshawsky = J.C. Whitney. The story behind the name would be the subject of another thread....

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Well, off topic, but what the hell... As a kid in the '50's, I began my lifelong obsession with cars, and as many others had, I had JC Whitney catalogues coming in about every couple of months for years and years. They were still coming in after I went into the Navy, my mother saving them for me. Not once did I ever buy anything from them, but enjoyed reading the mostly kookie add-on stuff, the good stuff being mostly for Model T and A Fords in those days.
Many years later, a small side trip to the La Salle location on the way to a V8 Club meet brought me up to speed and burst my bubble image of the old JC Whitney. In all those 70 odd years, though, never before now had I ever heard the name Warshawsky associated with JC. Never too old to learn!
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As I remember, the prices were better in the Warshawsky catalogs than they were in the Whitney edition.
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Tony, you probably need to point out to the Fordbarn masses that Warshawsky = J.C. Whitney. The story behind the name would be the subject of another thread....

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I remember those Warshawsky catalogs very well, even though I wasn't much of a kid in the 70's. I may still even have a copy squirreled away some where, maybe in my antique catalog collection.
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I always remember the Ford hubcaps that J C Whitney sold. Instead of Ford on the hubcap it said "Fool" and were made in Argentina. Every once in awhile you see one of those caps at a swap meet.
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Reproduction "Fool" Hubcap - probably by J. C. Whitney
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Not J.C.Whitney...
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Quality Reproduction 1958 Ford Hubcap that reads FOOD
Is this a J. C. Whitney product?
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JC Whitney was the one that offered all those funky Cadillac fins for Chevies, shiny gas door scuff plates for what ya got, wanna-be Buick portholes, ‘49 Ford grille spinners, Dagmars for anybody, imitation De Soto bumpers, bobble hipped Hawaiian girls for dashboards, fuzzy dice, Suicide Knobs, Porta Walls, Curb feelers, and of course, they also had Wolf Whistles and Bermuda Bells!
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Getting this Thread back on track, here is an
Early production 1938 Ford Standard Tudor Sedan
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Getting this Thread back on track, here is an
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Is this from the U.S.? The head lights are round.
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Yes, those headlight surrounds are after market to accept 7" sealed beam headlights. Photo of car in the USA.
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1938 Ford Deluxe Sedan with After-Market Headlight Rims to accept 7" Sealed Beam Headlights
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Australian 1938 Ford Standard Club Coupe with After-Market Headlight Rims
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The sealed beam headlight conversions on these '38s and the '37s, I cannot deal with. Ugly as a '38 Chevy.
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Seth X2 to the third power.
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I agree with you on the conversion headlights. When I had them on my ‘37 they were aimed too high and couldn’t be adjusted any lower. I guess I should have put some bigger tires on the back and smaller on the front to lower the headlamps.
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1939 Ford Standard Coupe with unusual "eye-brows"
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The sealed beam headlight conversions on these '38s and the '37s, I cannot deal with. Ugly as a '38 Chevy.
Agreed, they were on my car and they were taken off as soon as possible.
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I like the "eye-brows" on the Red Coupe in Post #65 though....
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This 1938 Ford Standard Coupe was donated to the Early Ford V8 Foundation Museum and delivered there by Irontrap.
Here is a picture of it outside the Museum. Many thanks to the donor for this beauty.

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Early Production 1938 Ford Standard Tudor Sedan
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This 1938 Ford Standard Coupe was donated to the Early Ford V8 Foundation Museum and delivered there by Irontrap.
Here is a picture of it outside the Museum. Many thanks to the donor for this beauty.

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The sealed beam headlight conversions on these '38s and the '37s, I cannot deal with. Ugly as a '38 Chevy.
There's a reason why you see a lot of those seal beam conversions at swap meets. They usually go back home with the seller.
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Australian 1938 Ford Standard Club Coupe with After-Market Headlight Rims
This example also has the notorious and ever popular broken hood caused by the poorly engineered mounting of the ingeniously designed hood prop.
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Early Production 1938 Ford Standard Tudor Sedan
This one is odd. In USA production the side trim was added before the chrome windshield. The lack of side trim with the chrome windshield is not something I have seen before.
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I much prefer the side trim with painted windshield look (but with bright center divider?).
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1938 Ford Standard Coupe - 38 coupe
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Early production 1938 Ford Standard Tudor Sedan.
Notice pin stripe instead of chrome strips, painted windscreen frame and no SS strips on grille.
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Here is a copy of the 1938 standard coupe picture from the Francis and DeAngelis book The Early Ford V8 as Henry Built It (a very good book worth buying if you don't already have it).

I like how plain this car is. All the restored cars have more "bling" (trim rings, white walls, fog lamps, etc.) that Ford built most of them with.

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Here is a copy of the 1938 standard coupe picture from the Francis and DeAngelis book The Early Ford V8 as Henry Built It (a very good book worth buying if you don't already have it).


That book is a must have for the serious V8 enthusiast. The '38 V8's (standard) are getting some serious love in this thread. I remember a time when everyone thought them to be ugly. Having said that, now the prices for them will go sky high.
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Great picture of the updated 1938 Ford Standard Coupe from the "The Early Ford V8 as Henry Built it" Book - 38 coupe
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Book - The Early Ford V8 as Henry built it
This is the book that 38 coupe recommended in Post 78
It was endorsed by Seth Swoboda in Post 79
I also highly recommend this book if you are into Early Ford V8's
This book can be purchased from the Early Ford V8 Foundation Museum for $30
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For anyone who is interested and does not already have a copy, I'll put a link to the V8 Foundation store where you can get that book: click here.
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Given my user name it probably surprises no one that I'm a bit biased towards this thread. To keep the party going I'll add two more pictures of 38 standard coupes.

I like the unmodified, not accessorized, look of the coupes in these pictures.

First, a neat old photograph I found somewhere.What I find really fun is in addition to the coupe on the left there is the front of another 38 standard Ford peaking into the photo on the right edge.



Next is a another plain coupe at a service station.
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1938 Ford Standard Coupe - 38 coupe
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1938 Ford Standard Coupe outside Joe's Place - 38 coupe
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Unique side-view mirror on this one...


And, what's that sticking out of the cowl under the gut's right elbow on this one?

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Time to add pictures of my coupes.
First is the car I got from my father, This picture makes the car look much better than it really is, but also shows off the great lines of a 38 coupe. Some of you may have seen this picture before.




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Well I'm off to go look at a 38 standard coupe. I hope it is as good in person as it looks in pictures.
I looked, and I bought it. Here is my new 38 standard coupe. Anyone have a good set of 38 standard hubcaps they wouldn't mind selling me?
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This one is the new purchase

This one inherited from his dad.
Congratulation Fred on your new purchase. I love it.

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1938 Deluxe Coupe recently purchased. Note with this car there is a separate control for each side under sunvisor for wiper operation.
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Hi Phil


I think I recognize that car, if I am correct it was restored in the 1970's using all the best original parts available at the time. The wipers do have individual controls, my 37 is the same, the passenger wiper was not needed most of the time so it was easy to find a good one in the day. Drivers side not so easy.


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Nice coupe Phil, I like the look with fender skirts. Fender skirts seem to be popular in New Zealand. I would love to have a correct set of 38-39 Ford fender skirts for my coupe.

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Illustration of the Updated 1938 Ford Standard Coupe from the original Sales Brochure
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Illustration of the "as originally released" 1938 Ford Standard Coupe from the original Sales Brochure.
Note absence of chrome trim on the Grille, no full length body chrome strips and painted Windscreen Frame.
It is apparent that sales of these early Standard models was disappointing and Ford added extra trim very early on to entice buyers.
Today, these "plain" early 1938 Ford Standard models are very rare.
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For years I have had a framed copy of the early "as originally released" 1938 Ford Standard coupe page. I find it interesting that the small drawing of the black coupe in the bottom right corner uses a reflection to make a bright line about where the stainless trim was later added.
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From the attached Sales Figures, you can see how popular the 1938 Ford Standard Coupes were, outselling the other coupes:-

Standard 5 Window Coupe - 34,059
Deluxe 5 Window Coupe - 22,225
Deluxe Club Coupe - 7.171
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Standard 5 Window Coupe - 34,059
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The times, they were tough. Save a buck wherever you could.
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From the attached Sales Figures, you can see how popular the 1938 Ford Standard Coupes were, outselling the other coupes:-

Standard 5 Window Coupe - 34,059
Deluxe 5 Window Coupe - 22,225
Deluxe Club Coupe - 7.171
The below website is an interesting read with information on the 38. I am not sure how accurate it is the production numbers vary from the above.

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/1937-1938-ford.htm#pt2
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Regarding accurate reporting, consider the previously published reports relied on for “new” reports, where inaccuracies and typographical errors become “fact” by reason of repeated sloppy research. One example here being the reported discontinuance of Ford’s DeLuxe Tudor Sedan for 1938.
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I find it interesting to compare the various production numbers reported by various sources. One source I trust more than most others is the previously recommended book The Early Ford V8 as Henry Built It. There is a section listing domestic USA production, which is lower than worldwide production. My understanding is these values were arrived at by careful research by the two authors while they were Ford employees.
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Old 09-07-2023, 09:15 PM   #102
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Sales Figures as quoted in the book " The Early Ford V8 as Henry Built it" - 38coupe
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From first hand experience using copies of Ford's official production records titled Assembly Record Types (ART) for 1935 and 1936, it's easy to understand why there are variances in production numbers. Here's a couple of the leading reasons:
1. The print quality of copies of the records range from perfectly legible to illegible. It's easy to start guessing and what a number is, but it is a good way to introduce errors.
2. The records are not always complete. Some sheets are missing parts making a full accounting impossible.
3. Production year and calendar year do not always coincide. For example, domestic 1935 production began in November 1934 and ended in early October 1935. So, does the number of vehicles produced for 1935 align with the January to December 1935 dates or November 1934 to October 1935? Hopefully the latter. Production for 1936 covers 13 months in the USA. There's room for interpretation and confusion.
4. Worldwide production schedules do not necessarily align with domestic production. Sometimes foreign production started 3 to 6 months after production began in the USA. Occasionally production of vehicle types continued in foreign assembly plants for several years beyond the close of domestic production. Again, there's a lot of room for making some assumptions or taking shortcuts.
It took me months of tedious accounting research to tease out the production numbers just for 1935 and 1936 Trucks and even then, data was missing, not readable and incomplete. I did the best of my abilities and put as many caveats in my book on these trucks and only included production numbers I can verify with certainty. I'm hoping the Ford Archives eventually reopens and better records than what I reviewed exist. If not, then the uncertainty will remain.
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Old 09-16-2023, 06:15 AM   #104
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1938 Ford Standard Coupe that now calls Australia home.
This model body style was never offered for sale in Australia.
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That's the same car as pictured in posts 42 and 43, yes? It sure is a nice looking car. I'd personally have to paint the wheels black and put blackwall tires on it, but I know that I'm a bit odd.

It is fun to see right had drive versions of cars I'm used to only seeing in left hand drive. I remember seeing a right hand drive 38 standard coupe in Napier in 2017, but somehow the lowered front end reduced the appeal for me.





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New Zealand got these 1938 Ford Standard Coupes like this one in NZ.
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Here is a picture of 38 deluxe coupe trunk area. NZ RHD.
There are 2 round inspection covers, RHS & LHS held in by 3 screws. Whats the purpose of these?
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Pictures of 38 Deluxe Coupe trunk area. NZ RHD - Phil Gillespie
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There are 2 round inspection covers, RHS & LHS held in by 3 screws. Whats the purpose of these?
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That a new one on me, I'm not familiar with those. Do they line up with body mounts or something?
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This 38 was recently posted on the Early Ford V8 Club UK Facebook page.
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38 Standard coupe picture posted by 30ccpickup.
The dual windshield wipers is interesting on a standard car, not typical in the USA.
Also note the painted windshield with the extra stainless trim.


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UK 1938 Ford Standard Coupe - 30ccpickup
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Early illustrations of "The Ford V-8 "60" for 1938" showing vehicles lacking the Chrome trim.
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