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torpedo · 07-31-2023, 02:39 PM

Hi there,
Wondering if any one on the barn could share knowledge and experience on centerforce clutches ?
I have emailed them a week ago but no response to date.
Engine is 1933 stock 221 cid currently fitted with 6 finger pressure plate (BB7563) and 9" disc (supplied by van pelt 12 years ago). Disc input shaft is 1 3/8 10 spline.
According to their website it is possible to use their products for this configuration but I really need 100% confidence before I order because I'm based in Europe.
Additionally I need to confirm that it will fit with existing flywheel.

Your suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.

Max

1948F-1Pickup · 07-31-2023, 08:18 PM

I have plenty of experience with their product line and have one of their first dual friction units on a Ford-powered road race car.
Let me send you an email address that's a little more specific.
I sent you a PM.

Lanny · 07-31-2023, 11:11 PM

I've used Center Force clutch assemblies in two of my High Performance
Ford cars. They have proved to be TOP Quality, as far as I'm concerned.

.

Tim Ayers · 08-01-2023, 06:06 AM

Hey Max,

I had a similar experience with Centerforce's Tech line. I called them after not getting a response and I got a tech right away and they were very helpful and knew their products.

I have their clutch and pressure plate set up with a Weber flywheel and couldn't be happier.

I did remove those sliding weights they put on their pressure plates because a friend, who had the same set up, had the clutch get stuck when the weights slid around the throw out bearing. I figured with such low horse power, I didn't really need them anyway.

As far as a recommendation, I plan to use them on all my builds going forward. Great set up.

Gene1949 · 08-01-2023, 07:49 AM

I cannot speak to your application but I bought Centerforce's complete package including flywheel for my '49. Excellent product.

Bored&Stroked · 08-01-2023, 10:11 AM

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Centerforce makes great products, but I find it a bit hard to imagine that they'd have a clutch to work with your stock flywheel - if it mounts the clutch in the same manner as a 32 flywheel. Do you have pics of your flywheel?

They can probably sell you a complete package that comes WITH a flywheel - so make sure you really check things out with them. I would send them a picture of your current flywheel - so they're dang sure what you're talking about.

torpedo · 08-01-2023, 05:27 PM

Thanks for your advice. After inspection my flywheel will need to be replaced.
A fellow barner has shared a contact there so hopefully I will get a definitve recommendation on centerforce references for flywheel-PP-disc-TOB.
Will report progress...

torpedo · 08-16-2023, 07:19 AM

Hi All,
Just to let the fordbarn community know that I contacted Centerforce and received confirmation on Centerforce product references that will work on a 1933 stock engine namely:

PP ref CF365222
Disc ref 381870
TOB ref N1714
Flywheel ref 700340

Bad news as it seems the flywheel cannot be purchased anymore ;-(
Centerforce advise to question third parties as they cannot supply it.
Placed an order with jegs but unfortunately the flywheel is on backorder without a target date.

If anyone here has a tip it would be most welcome. The flywheel is described as "mandatory" to operate with PP-Disc-TOB supplied by C/force but there may be compatible flywheels ?

Thanks

Tim Ayers · 08-16-2023, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo

Hi All,
Just to let the fordbarn community know that I contacted Centerforce and received confirmation on Centerforce product references that will work on a 1933 stock engine namely:

PP ref CF365222
Disc ref 381870
TOB ref N1714
Flywheel ref 700340

Bad news as it seems the flywheel cannot be purchased anymore ;-(
Centerforce advise to question third parties as they cannot supply it.
Placed an order with jegs but unfortunately the flywheel is on backorder without a target date.

If anyone here has a tip it would be most welcome. The flywheel is described as "mandatory" to operate with PP-Disc-TOB supplied by C/force but there may be compatible flywheels ?

Thanks

Thank you for posting this. I know a Weber aluminum flywheel works with this set up for I used it with all the parts listed above minus the flywheel.

Bored&Stroked · 08-16-2023, 08:01 AM

You might consider talking to RAM clutches - they made me two custom billet steel flywheels.

Tim Ayers · 08-16-2023, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

You might consider talking to RAM clutches - they made me two custom billet steel flywheels.

Dale, have you used that lightened steel flywheel they made for you yet? How many pounds did it end up being after lightening? Curious how it worked out.

torpedo · 08-16-2023, 11:38 AM

Hi Bored&Stroked + Tim,
Thanks for your interest and support.
I just received an update from Jegs. Very bad news...
Centerforce will not deliver the recommended flywheel so I had to cancel the whole order.
Back to square 1.
If anyone has a suggestion or recommendation for a diaphragm clutch setup that will fit in a stock 1933 engine ?
Cheers

Tim Ayers · 08-16-2023, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo

Hi Bored&Stroked + Tim,
Thanks for your interest and support.
I just received an update from Jegs. Very bad news...
Centerforce will not deliver the recommended flywheel so I had to cancel the whole order.
Back to square 1.
If anyone has a suggestion or recommendation for a diaphragm clutch setup that will fit in a stock 1933 engine ?
Cheers

Ugh:

I'd give RAM Clutches a call. I have not dealt with them, but Bored & Stroked has. He's quite a picky fellow (in a good way) about parts. If he like their products, then they must be good.

Here is a link to their website: https://ramclutches.com/

Did a quick search and they have flathead flywheels in both steel and aluminum listed on their site: https://ramclutches.com/ram-true-bal...let-flywheels/

torpedo · 08-16-2023, 12:45 PM

Thanks Tim for your support. I just left a message to RAM Tech Dept via email asking whether they have a solution for my engine. I have indeed seen that they offer steel flywheels but I also need the PP-Disc-TOB, preferably from a single source as I am based in Europe (shipping & duty fees really hurt).

If diaphragm is not an option, could anyone recommend a setup ? 1"3/8 10 spline, 9 or 10 inch disc, preferably not the 6-finger style...

Centerforce really suck. I cannot understand why they sell PP-Disc-TOB and require a flywheel that they don't sell anymore ;-(

Bored&Stroked · 08-16-2023, 06:05 PM

RAM will custom make a clutch to meet your requirements - making the pedal force easy on your leg, yet holding well under acceleration.

07-31-2023, 02:39 PM	#1
torpedo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: France Posts: 26	Centerforce clutch advice & feedback Hi there, Wondering if any one on the barn could share knowledge and experience on centerforce clutches ? I have emailed them a week ago but no response to date. Engine is 1933 stock 221 cid currently fitted with 6 finger pressure plate (BB7563) and 9" disc (supplied by van pelt 12 years ago). Disc input shaft is 1 3/8 10 spline. According to their website it is possible to use their products for this configuration but I really need 100% confidence before I order because I'm based in Europe. Additionally I need to confirm that it will fit with existing flywheel. Your suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated. Max __________________ Flathead enthusiast - 1933 Phaeton

07-31-2023, 08:18 PM	#2
1948F-1Pickup Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Socal Posts: 795	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback I have plenty of experience with their product line and have one of their first dual friction units on a Ford-powered road race car. Let me send you an email address that's a little more specific. I sent you a PM.

07-31-2023, 11:11 PM	#3
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,411	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback I've used Center Force clutch assemblies in two of my High Performance Ford cars. They have proved to be TOP Quality, as far as I'm concerned. . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN

08-01-2023, 06:06 AM	#4
Tim Ayers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 6,181	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback Hey Max, I had a similar experience with Centerforce's Tech line. I called them after not getting a response and I got a tech right away and they were very helpful and knew their products. I have their clutch and pressure plate set up with a Weber flywheel and couldn't be happier. I did remove those sliding weights they put on their pressure plates because a friend, who had the same set up, had the clutch get stuck when the weights slid around the throw out bearing. I figured with such low horse power, I didn't really need them anyway. As far as a recommendation, I plan to use them on all my builds going forward. Great set up.

08-01-2023, 07:49 AM	#5
Gene1949 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Pahrump, NV Posts: 374	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback I cannot speak to your application but I bought Centerforce's complete package including flywheel for my '49. Excellent product.

08-01-2023, 10:11 AM	#6
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Centerforce makes great products, but I find it a bit hard to imagine that they'd have a clutch to work with your stock flywheel - if it mounts the clutch in the same manner as a 32 flywheel. Do you have pics of your flywheel? They can probably sell you a complete package that comes WITH a flywheel - so make sure you really check things out with them. I would send them a picture of your current flywheel - so they're dang sure what you're talking about.

08-01-2023, 05:27 PM	#7
torpedo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: France Posts: 26	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback Thanks for your advice. After inspection my flywheel will need to be replaced. A fellow barner has shared a contact there so hopefully I will get a definitve recommendation on centerforce references for flywheel-PP-disc-TOB. Will report progress... __________________ Flathead enthusiast - 1933 Phaeton

08-16-2023, 07:19 AM	#8
torpedo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: France Posts: 26	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback Hi All, Just to let the fordbarn community know that I contacted Centerforce and received confirmation on Centerforce product references that will work on a 1933 stock engine namely: PP ref CF365222 Disc ref 381870 TOB ref N1714 Flywheel ref 700340 Bad news as it seems the flywheel cannot be purchased anymore ;-( Centerforce advise to question third parties as they cannot supply it. Placed an order with jegs but unfortunately the flywheel is on backorder without a target date. If anyone here has a tip it would be most welcome. The flywheel is described as "mandatory" to operate with PP-Disc-TOB supplied by C/force but there may be compatible flywheels ? Thanks __________________ Flathead enthusiast - 1933 Phaeton

08-16-2023, 08:01 AM	#10
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback You might consider talking to RAM clutches - they made me two custom billet steel flywheels.

08-16-2023, 11:38 AM	#12
torpedo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: France Posts: 26	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback Hi Bored&Stroked + Tim, Thanks for your interest and support. I just received an update from Jegs. Very bad news... Centerforce will not deliver the recommended flywheel so I had to cancel the whole order. Back to square 1. If anyone has a suggestion or recommendation for a diaphragm clutch setup that will fit in a stock 1933 engine ? Cheers __________________ Flathead enthusiast - 1933 Phaeton

08-16-2023, 12:45 PM	#14
torpedo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: France Posts: 26	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback Thanks Tim for your support. I just left a message to RAM Tech Dept via email asking whether they have a solution for my engine. I have indeed seen that they offer steel flywheels but I also need the PP-Disc-TOB, preferably from a single source as I am based in Europe (shipping & duty fees really hurt). If diaphragm is not an option, could anyone recommend a setup ? 1"3/8 10 spline, 9 or 10 inch disc, preferably not the 6-finger style... Centerforce really suck. I cannot understand why they sell PP-Disc-TOB and require a flywheel that they don't sell anymore ;-( __________________ Flathead enthusiast - 1933 Phaeton

08-16-2023, 06:05 PM	#15
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,070	Re: Centerforce clutch advice & feedback RAM will custom make a clutch to meet your requirements - making the pedal force easy on your leg, yet holding well under acceleration.