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12-12-2016, 09:30 PM | #1 |
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Where to buy water pumps
Hey gang, Where would everyone suggest purchasing new water pumps from for a 1935 pick-up truck? I'm looking for the best performance, quality and longevity,...... Is there a difference between Macs, Dennis Carpenter, Drake or do they all come from the same supplier?
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12-12-2016, 09:41 PM | #2 |
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Not sure if they come from the same supplier but I'm pretty sure they all come from China. Some people say they are great but I have a natural reservation to put parts on my car that may have been built to price or quantity standards rather than a quality standard. If I was you I would get some originals rebuilt by Skip Haney. He will probably be able to sell you the cores as well.-Karl
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12-12-2016, 09:57 PM | #3 |
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Hi Everyone, for completeness, Skip has contact information at www.fordcollector.com He's a long-time go-to guy for remanufactured/redesigned water pumps. Good pieces, from my experience on a '35 I recently got. He's also known for coil rebuilding, and being a straight-up vendor. Quality and service are first class!
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12-12-2016, 11:39 PM | #4 |
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I just got a set from Fryers Early Ford Water Pumps in Redlands CA. Daryl Fryer provides excellent quality, help, and super service. Phone: (909) 335-1418
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12-12-2016, 11:47 PM | #5 |
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Napa had a new pair for my 52 Merc and they seem good.
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12-12-2016, 11:54 PM | #6 |
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12-13-2016, 09:18 AM | #7 | |
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This is very close to the seal and all seals leak. They need to leak some because this is what lubricates the seal and seat. This water becomes super hot and a small amount gets into the bearing leading to bearing failures. I have seen a number of these pumps that were sent back to the rebuilder 3 or 4 times before being sent to Skip who converted them back to bushings. In the 20,000 or more bushing pumps Skip has rebuilt we have only seen maybe a dozen with worn out bushings. These were worn by the belt being pulled up to tight and some even wore through the casting. Even then the pump didn't fail the, pump was changed because the back of the pulley was dragging on the face of the pump and making a loud noise. In a bushing pump there is a thin film of oil between the shaft and bushing. The shaft rides on this film of oil and NEVER touches the shaft. With pumps in service over 20 years NO ONE has ever been charged for a repair if it failed. G.M.
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12-13-2016, 11:26 AM | #8 |
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bushings over bearings is there a modern car out there that has a water pump with bushings. todays car run at 190 + temp with 13lb or more rad pressure.go 70 mph hours on end & the water pumps last well over 100.000 miles.
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without a lot of accessories being belt driven. Myself I wouldn't drive a water pumps with bearings in an old Ford over 100 miles from home because AAA only tows 100 miles. When a bearing pump go's it's normally replace or get towed. A bushing pump is rare to seize up. G.M.
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12-13-2016, 12:12 PM | #10 |
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From my own experience, I'll stay with Skip, when ever I need water pumps rebuilt. He has rebuilt OEM water pumps for my '39 Ford CS, '39LZ, '47 Ford Convertible, etc. I've yet to have any problems with the pumps Skip rebuilt.
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12-13-2016, 01:24 PM | #11 |
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I understand Skip sells (and recommends) a small valve to go on the end of the overflow pipe. This is to prevent splash of coolant out the overflow due to the high turbulence and the rapid flow. It has an approx. 3psi blow off where as to not impede any expansion of the coolant requiring overflow.
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go into the container placed on the left front frame rail. As the coolant expands or is pushed out the overflow due to heat the normal restriction of the 144 radiator tube it collects in the container. As long as the is normal heat or tube restriction coolant that is OK but if it is due to compression getting into the cooling system that's not good. The normal coolant in the container will return into the engine as the engine cools. At 155 degrees there is a vacuum in the system, this vacuum draws the coolant back into the engine. A pressure cap with a container as described will do the same thing. Skips valve is a ONE WAY valve and will not let water back in. A lot of expansion is taken in the large diameter long radiator hoses. G.M.
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Or you just talking about the reproduction and or converted bushing ones with the tiddly little bearing? Martin. |
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12-13-2016, 03:37 PM | #15 | |
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snout. These pumps were designed for the use of bearings. G.M.
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12-13-2016, 04:05 PM | #16 |
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If there were no expansion tank, and no valve, how much coolant do you think would overflow out? Enough to make a difference? Is a valve or tank necessary? Does anyone run without either? Thanks for everyone's advice and patience as I'm still new to all this
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12-13-2016, 05:04 PM | #17 |
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My tank is listed as 1 1/2 qt. On an 80 degree day it will go from about 1/4 full when cold to about 3/4 full when engine temp is about 170 degrees. I didn't have it on the car during the hot summer, so don't have any feedback on higher temps. This is on a fresh flathead with a freshly reconditioned 4 row original '38 radiator. I understand the main advantage is keeping air out of the cooling system.
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12-13-2016, 05:23 PM | #18 |
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AAA will tow over 100 miles BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE>
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12-13-2016, 06:23 PM | #19 |
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Skip is my choice,does a great job, stands behind his work.Work done in the US.He is a asset to are hobby and would not think of using any buddy else.Just my 2 cents,I have cores if needed
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12-14-2016, 09:03 AM | #20 |
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Skips pumps are cheaper than the additional premium. Plus the
peace of mind knowing I won't have problems. G.M.
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