|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
05-20-2018, 08:42 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
There's so much talk on this forum about upgrades in power (Weber carbs), changing to syncro and o/d trannys, v8 clutch, etc. etc. etc. BUT YET; there was a recent thread and poll about what a stock standard car is capable of, that more or less concluded a stock car with a well rebuild and balanced engine can sit on 55-60 mph all day.
If a standard car can do 55-60 mph I don't get why people are spending large amounts of $ to complicate the car. I do understand that some of these changes make the car easier to drive and for someone elderly or with a disability such changes make sense. For others though, they want a vintage car to drive like a new Toyota Corolla and to sit on 70 mph on Interstates? What on earth is going on??? Are there people on this forum being paid by suppliers and part makers to promote this unnecessary "Upgrade Lifestyle" that has no basis in reality?
__________________
|
05-20-2018, 08:56 PM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wa.
Posts: 5,409
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
"What on earth is going on??? Are there people on this forum being paid by suppliers and part makers to promote this unnecessary "Upgrade Lifestyle" that has no basis in reality?"
Yes, they have make a living somehow. Would you have them living in a tent under a bridge? |
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
05-20-2018, 09:04 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
__________________
|
05-20-2018, 09:10 PM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Nelson. New Zealand
Posts: 2,009
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Im with Pete,
|
05-20-2018, 09:12 PM | #5 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Lynden, Wa
Posts: 3,552
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
My upgrades-such as they are are just to make the car a little safer to drive with today's morons on the road. That is all.
Mike
__________________
1930 TownSedan (Briggs) 1957 Country Sedan |
05-20-2018, 10:18 PM | #6 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 27,582
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
So you came from the upper class. I only had a cardboard box. |
|
05-20-2018, 10:21 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,971
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
The Model A is an off road vehicle.
It has large wheels, high clearance, hand throttle, low reving huge flywheel engine, runs on low grade fuel, easy to fix in the middle of nowhere, narrow tyres cut thru mud and snow. Why would you want to change anything? |
05-21-2018, 08:34 AM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 914
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
If the desire is to drive as much as possible..why make getting from point A to point B faster. Doesn't the turn a 2 hour round trip into a 1 1/2 hour round trip, thus defeating the goal?
|
05-21-2018, 08:58 AM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 734
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
My thoughts on this are that some hobbyists just need to tinker or they are gadget affectionados that have to run out and get the latest and the greatest. I know I'm going to get much static for this next statement. I feel the beauty of the Model A is in it's functional simplicity and adding anything to that is gilding the lily.....
|
05-21-2018, 09:29 AM | #10 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 414
|
Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Why are you worried about psychological pressure from a forum? There's all types on here from purists to AV8'ers . It's your car drive it like grandpa did or like a bat outta he[emoji970][emoji970] There will be guys from suppliers on here but I doubt anyone's getting paid to push parts. Old car guys are passionate eccentric farts, some are reliving their glory days while others are recreating the past. The one thing I've noticed on the forum is that whatever a guys into... he promotes.
|
05-21-2018, 09:46 AM | #11 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 7,496
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Restore to original, modify, improve, rod. Viva la difference!
I admire any of them if done well.
__________________
I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood. |
05-21-2018, 09:51 AM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Malvern, PA
Posts: 361
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I don't see anybody promoting anything on this forum, except the occasional atta boy to vendors that have done something well. Some folks like bone stock (all my cars are that way), some folks like to tinker, even see some rodders from time to time. I see folks talking about their experiences, but not promoting per se. The beauty of a forum is the presence of different points of view.
__________________
Wayne @ Barb Malvern '19 T Speedster '26 T Touring '29 A Roadster '30 AA Stakebed '30 A Pickup '30 A Town Sedan '31 A Station Wagon '38 Columbia Girls bike (WWII) '40 Elgin Boys bike (WWII) '42 Super Deluxe Tudor '42 Willys MB Jeep '43 Willys MBT Trailer '43 M3A4 Hand Cart '43 Harley Davidson 42WLA with sidecar |
05-21-2018, 10:05 AM | #13 |
BANNED
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 1,262
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Hey its your car,you can fill it with concrete and use it as a doorstop if you want.
|
05-21-2018, 11:22 AM | #14 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 702
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I have a fuse, an oil filter, a six-blade plastic fan, an alternator, a leakless waterpump, seatbelts, and turn signals, and I have been oblivious to the psychological pressure that's apparently been put on me to add these things. So sad.
|
05-21-2018, 12:16 PM | #15 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
No, no, no! This thread is not about taking away your constitutional right to cut your car into little pieces then eat it if you so wish to do. It's about a fake narrative that's being promoted on this forum. A narrative that would suggest someone who's unlikely to drive more than 1000 miles a year MUST have a o/d tranny and later wire wheels for 16" radials, etc. etc. etc. Sorry, that's fake news that's being promoted by people with an agenda or by gadget freaks (mentioned by some else above). These gadget freaks add things to their cars for the sake of adding things. They're the type of people that camp overnight outside an Apple store to be the first to get the new iPhone.
__________________
|
|
05-21-2018, 12:27 PM | #16 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Posts: 11,519
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
This is EXACTLY what I was discussing in a different thread earlier. Some of the most heated debates have appeared here over the mindset that a modification must be made because they plan to drive their Model-A. It then becomes a battle of justification. No one tends to be honest any more and describe their vehicle as it truly is. Everyone likes to use the words 'Barn Find' to imply it is something that it really isn't. How many times have you heard someone brag their car is a 'Survivor Car'? Oh, I don't want a Fine-point car as I want to drive mine. |
|
05-21-2018, 12:27 PM | #17 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
You're absolutely correct. Your statement is completely against the prevailing ideology on this forum which would have us believe a stock Model A is completely unsafe and unusable.
__________________
|
|
05-21-2018, 01:01 PM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
In the early days of the hobby people managed to do everything in a mostly stock Model As, see this thread:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90677 Today, if you want to drive your A to Starbucks for a soy-decaf-cappuccino it's impossible without hydraulic brakes, o/d, 16" rims etc. How have Model A guys gone from those described in the link above to the "Zsa Zsa Gabors" they've became today?
__________________
|
05-21-2018, 01:43 PM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NC
Posts: 2,975
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
My first Model A was 1960. At that time they were adding rumba seats, step plates, hydraulic brakes, cowl lights and so on.So what really changed. It is our car we can do as we please.
|
05-21-2018, 02:13 PM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Battle Ground WA
Posts: 293
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
You seem to be reading something into the forum responses that I don't see. Other than a few guys hammering on safety items, pretty much everyone else appears to be doing whatever they want to their own cars, without advocating everybody else must do the same thing. Can you please list a specific example so maybe I can appreciate your point?
There are those saying to keep it as it was built, now and then, and there are those who have made a change that they think is an improvement to their own car, and there are those who hang dangles on just because, but I can't recall anyone demanding that you "must" make this or that modification, in fact almost all seem to say something like, "Your money, your car, do as you like". As to something recent being different, guys have modified cars ever since they were built, and probably will continue to do so until legislation won't allow it. This is not something new at all. I'm just not sure what you are saying is "fake news" here. Maybe it's just me? |
05-21-2018, 02:58 PM | #21 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wa.
Posts: 5,409
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
Plate glass windows. No seat belts. No turn signals. Inadequate headlights. Inadequate wipers. 88 year old fatigued steel in critical parts. And the biggest flaw, a product of marginal engineering. |
|
05-21-2018, 03:12 PM | #22 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 734
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Pete, marginal engineering, perish the thought, by who's standards???
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
05-21-2018, 04:02 PM | #23 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Portland Or
Posts: 137
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I think you're getting a false sense from the thread counts. People tend to post questions about modifications, because they can't find the info in the Ford manuals. You don't post asking about your stock tranny. You post asking about your 4 speed or overdrive. You don't post about your stock brake rebuild, you post asking about floaters or hydraulics. With multiple manufacturers of various hop up stuff, you can get several posts asking questions while dozens of people with stock cars just look in the book and carry on without posting.
I'm not saying mods are bad, just that they may not be as common as you think. |
05-21-2018, 04:34 PM | #24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Fruita, CO
Posts: 281
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Fake news????????? I'm not sure how that over used phrase could describe this or most forums. This forum is a where place people can discuss different ideas and opinions, ask for and receive help, "brag" about accomplishments, and explain how one has overcome a crisis in the hobby and sometimes in their life, share their relevant experiences to benefit other members. Many posts are mixed with humor and occasionally just plain BS. Members get out of the forum what they want. If one is unhappy with the content, they are free to look elsewhere, nobody is forced to stay and be exposed to all this "fake news". If that's the case, I hope they find what they seek.
|
05-21-2018, 04:59 PM | #25 |
Senior Member
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
M2M,
I haven't found any psychological pressure from manufacturers on this site. If you want to see that type of pressure, watch the infomercials that pass for regular programming on the the Velocity channel. They all want to put cold air intakes, headers and exhaust systems on the cars. I also watch Gearz, and Stacy David is hawking parts and products during the whole program. David Serrano |
05-21-2018, 05:26 PM | #26 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Reseda, Calif.
Posts: 2,188
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
I think the O.P. is on the wrong forum. Or he is trying to get his post count up. I have never seen any thing on here that relates to what he is saying. |
05-21-2018, 05:44 PM | #27 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 1,137
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I was water-boarded by my old Model A club until I confessed to using some old, leftover Rick's cotter pins.
__________________
"Remember that when it comes to intelligence, half of all of us are below average." |
05-21-2018, 08:35 PM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Battle Ground WA
Posts: 293
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
|
05-22-2018, 12:47 PM | #29 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
Let me be clear, I'm am not against these types of "upgrades"; I'm very likely to fit at least a hi-comp head and Aries muffler in the future to my car. I think people, especially newbies, should be given the full facts by people with knowledge and experience in the hobby. That doesn't seem to be happening too often.
__________________
|
|
05-22-2018, 12:52 PM | #30 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
I wasn't seriously suggesting such overt psychological pressure is taking place here.
__________________
|
|
05-22-2018, 01:00 PM | #31 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
What??? This isn't a discussion forum about main stream media?
__________________
|
|
05-22-2018, 01:07 PM | #32 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
I don't see the point you're you trying to make...
__________________
|
|
05-22-2018, 02:58 PM | #33 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bucks Co, Pa
Posts: 3,740
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I own 3 mod. A s, all 1930s, 2 coupes and a Town sedan. They were bought for various prices, generally reflective of their condition and my acquired knowledge. The Town Sedan was junk, I should have left it there. It wasn't all bad, It was an almost complete car that I dragged home after paying $1500 in 2010, it's just, ...well...You know! Too friggin much work! I won't bore you with details of the two coupes, It suffices to say I've I've replaced almost everything behind the engine, I just got done with the rear end in one. The Other I replaced everything behind the radiator. All three cars got new steering boxes (A truly Fun job!) Two of the cars got new engines. All of the cars have mod. B carbs with bored out manifolds. all have either H.C. or ground down heads. Two of them have lightened flywheels. The rear I just rebuilt, has a 3.54 rear ratio. Do they fly? No, but they can do a true 60MPH. When I was flying, a friend used to say about underpowered airplanes (Taylor Cubs, Bathtub Aroncas, etc) "that they have enough power to get you in to trouble, but not enough to get you out!" Most of them were in the 40 - 60 HP range too. With today's traffic and our penchant for moralistically stating that those who can't keep up with 70-80 MPH traffic that we should be banned from the roads as though it was someone's job to do that! I just want to keep up.
Terry |
05-22-2018, 03:31 PM | #34 | |
Senior Member
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
1) They just want to. And that's fine! 2) Misinformation. This one is harder and has caused many people to be banned from the site. Over the many years since the Model A was a common daily driver, it has become engrained in a lot of people that changes have to be made to have a reliable car. This is simply not true!
__________________
What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II |
|
05-22-2018, 04:13 PM | #35 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Oakhurst, CA
Posts: 140
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I disagree about the "prevailing ideology." I just finished reading another post on the flathead forum about mechanical brakes on early fords, and how much better they are when adjusted properly compared to many hydraulic conversions.
|
05-22-2018, 04:41 PM | #36 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 9,115
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I just had my brakes re-done. Mostly I get asked: "did you go hydraulic"? No I reply. I sent my brakes to Randy Gross to have the original mechanical brakes done correctly. I also have radial tires. But they are 19" radials, thus preserving the original look to the car.
No, my rig is not 100% original. But it does retain the original look and feel.
__________________
Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club |
05-23-2018, 05:51 AM | #37 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 777
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
I concur; a comparison of the roads today/90 years ago, the Model A really is an off road car. An point that I have found over the years is that shiny aluminum plate on the running board that we refer to as a step plate. Originally was intended as a mud scraper used before entering the car. Why change anything?
|
05-23-2018, 05:54 AM | #38 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 777
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
Quote:
|
|
05-23-2018, 06:07 AM | #39 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 777
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
As with many hobbies, there are many people/companies manufacturing/selling bells and whistles. You need this You need that. This is better That is better. Just what is Better??
I fell into that a few years ago, with the ignition game. Modern points/upper plate--Electronic ignition. My Model A likes the forged one piece upper plate the best. I had to try though. Something for every one. In some of these hobbies a person has to decide where they want to be and stick with it. Otherwise you are so busy trying to keep up with something newer and better that the actual hobby is not the main focus. Model A's vs R/C aircraft. |
05-23-2018, 08:42 AM | #40 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Durango CO
Posts: 1,309
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
This thread is a waste of time.
__________________
No restorable Model A's were harmed in the building of this truck! |
05-23-2018, 09:34 AM | #41 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Lone Jack Missouri
Posts: 381
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
X2
Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk |
05-23-2018, 10:57 AM | #42 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: So Minn
Posts: 1,565
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
05-23-2018, 12:22 PM | #43 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Reseda, Calif.
Posts: 2,188
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
|
05-23-2018, 01:12 PM | #44 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
This thread sorta reminds me of a few years ago when the very mention of a higher compression head or a twelve volt upgrade would almost send some off the DEEP END !!!
|
05-23-2018, 02:07 PM | #45 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Fruita, CO
Posts: 281
|
Re: Psychological pressure from this forum to "upgrade". Fake news?
|
|
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|