32-33 closed cab seat back bracket locations

[DavidG]

What are the hole locations for the six brackets (three upper and three lower) that attach the rear seat back to the three wood stringers on the back of the cab? Hopefully someone will have their seat back cushion out of their cab exposing the brackets or the holes in the wood for the brackets that attach the cushion.


Thanks.

[Flathead Fever]

Hey David, I have pictures of the lower brackets next to a tape measurer showing their height. There were several '33-'34 trucks and cabs at a vintage truck estate auction, almost all missing their doors. It was like a five-acre vintage truck junkyard. I needed those bracket measurements for my '33 and '34 pickup projects. I also needed those brackets because the reproduction ones are not like the originals. I took a screwdriver back there and removed all of those brackets. The problem with these photos are there were '33 and '34 cabs I took photos of both and it was so long ago don't which is which. The wood looks different between the'33 and '34 since the '34 has that extra wide metal beltline across the back of the cab. I don't know if the pickup seat backs would be at the same height because they have that metal seat riser and the big trucks have the gas tank in that spot. I think that one photo with the tape measurer was the a '34 cab from the floor to the bracket but I'm not sure. Since taking the photos I have bought a '34 BB truck and a '32 pickup cab. That BB should have those brackets that I can also measure. On my '34 pickup project, the previous owner took all the wood out, I have it in all in a box. Notice the one bracket on the one cab has factory fabric behind it and the other cab does not. If I remember I'll look at my '34 BB tomorrow. Im baby-sitting the grandson so I might forget.

[DavidG]

Thanks for the informative photos and your description. The upper brackets on the '34 closed cabs were placed higher as the '34 seat back was taller. The extra molding in the back panel of the '34 cabs was put there to accommodate the taller seat back.

If your '32 has its seat back brackets still in place, I'd very much appreciate it if you could verify that 10" measurement for the lower bracket.

Thanks.

[bobH]

OT..... I'm gonna guess FHF went to Bernie Long's estate sale....

[Flathead Fever]

Hey David I took photos of those '34 BB seat brackets. That was a fire truck hose tender. My old Samsung phone let me download photos directly to my computer. My new Apple phone will not let me do it directly. I have to plug the phone in and while it charging it sends the photos to the cloud and them I can download. Them Sometimes they don't show up in the cloud for a day because of my slow rural internet. I'll post them as soon as I get them.

I learned a little. The upper brackets curve all the way around the seat frame the seat does not unsnap from the uppers like the lower brackets. You must take out the brackets' screws and remove the brackets with the seat back. I could not get the right-side screw out, it was going to break off, so I had to take a screwdriver and open the bracket up. All the brackets have cloth between them and the seat frame. It looks likes it was part of the seat fabric and not separate pieces. The lower brackets also have fabric between them and the wood like that other photo I posted. There are only two upper brackets. No holes where there t ever would have ever been a third one. Surprisingly the lower middle bracket is missing, the holes are there. and the wood is painted red. Al of the wood, brackets and hardware were assembled and then painted. If that middle bracket had been there the wood would not be painted in that spot. I'm 99% sure that is original paint inside the cab. It's hard to measure the bottom ones from the floor because the wood is angled. I think I would mount the upper brackets, hang the seat frame on them and then install the lower brackets so you get a nice tight fit.

[Flathead Fever]

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Originally Posted by bobH

OT..... I'm gonna guess FHF went to Bernie Long's estate sale....

You'd be correct. I did't find out about it until after the auction started that morning. I was too late to bid but I was able to go back over the next week and buy stuff that hadn't sold. By the end of the week what wasn't sold went into big roll off dumpsters. The property had been sold and needed to be cleaned off. Three separate locations, probably 20-acres total of chain drive era trucks and literal mountains of stuff. One guy from India bought 60 of those pre 1920s big trucks. I ended up with Two Mack AB trucks one that can be restored and the second I had to buy to get the parts missing off the other one. There is zero parts for those old trucks, no repros parts and no used parts. I bought this 1915 wrecker just to get the grille, gas tank and steering box for $1500.00. It has 3/4" plate riveted to its frame sides and top of the frame. I put it on my 6000 gvw trailer. I knew it was heavy, but I only had 20 miles to go on back roads. When I got it home my 2-ton Walker floor jack would not lift one front wheel off the ground. That truck could weight over 16K lbs. It put a bow in the trailer frame but most oof it sprung back when it rolled off. It's just an old trailer I paid $1000.00 for years ago.

Ever see a Fordson Truck. This was the only prototype ever made. I think it sold to a phone bidder for $50K. I bought that military flathead compressor/generator for $100.00 Its missing pieces to one of the compressor heads and the generator is gutted and it sat out in the rain without an air cleaner so its junk. I was thinking it would make a nice flathead engine test stand since its already setup for it. Bigtime heavy, it almost tips my tractor over. Ever worry about lifting a flathead by the head bolts, don't. If they lift this beast, you will never break them on just an engine. What's left of that generator must be really heavy because it was perfectly balanced when I lifted it. I spent $7000.00 there over the week and I don't flip stuff. It was stuff I did not need. Every time I looked, I found more stuff in sheds I couldn't resist. The problem is all takes up lots of space.

[Flathead Fever]

So far, my POS "Apple" iPhone has sent two of about twenty bracket photos I took to the cloud. Sometimes it takes days for them to show up there and thenI can download them to my computer. Sometimes the camera battery has to get low really and it then it sends the photos to the cloud while its being charged. I want my Samsung camera back I traded in! Here the two that have made it to the cloud in 24-hours.

Hooking the tape onto the lip of the cab roof it is 13 1/4" down to the center of screw hole for the top bracket. The bracket is 2 1/16" from the center of the screw hole to the bottom outside of the bracket. With the seat frame in the bracket and the tape hooked to the roof lip it is 15" to the top of the seat frame.

The seat frame measures 19 1/2" from bracket to bracket. That giant mouse nest came with the truck. That plus dirt that gets moist is what rusts out those bottom lower corners of cabs. Luckily my other '34 pickup project is perfect. not a rust pit on it. I need to get that all out mouse stuff out of there.

The lower bracket is 11" from the floor to the bottom of the seat frame. With the tape hooked to the roof lip its 34 7/8" down to the bottom of the seat frame.

This is interesting. I never saw it until I removed the seat back. This cab has a bent wire running between the wood. The bent look pretty nice like they are probably factory made. I have looked inside many cabs and have never seen one with this wire. Also the horizontal wood has metal brackets around the ends. That center vertical wood never hod a lower bracket for the seat. The pilot holes for the screws are there but the wood is painted so there was never a bracket on it.

Here is a decent picture of what that original fabric and stitching looked like. It's not black like you said but a very dark brown.

I know you're a purist so make sure to "clock" those screwhead slots in the original Ford positions because if I'm ever end up a Early Ford Judge I'm deducting one point (per screw).

[rockfla]

Flatheadforever


WHY don't you just email "yourself" the photo's off of your I-phone to your email. That is what I do!!!!

[DavidG]

Flathead Fever,


Thanks for all of the photos and your supporting text.


David

[Flathead Fever]

Originally Posted by rockfla

Flatheadforever


WHY don't you just email "yourself" the photo's off of your I-phone to your email. That is what I do!!!!

Because I don't know how to. I've tried a couple of times and I have about two-seconds of patience for figuring out modern technology. It does not interest me one bit. I don't check my phone for messages for weeks at a time. I use my computer for mostly eBay and the Ford Barn. I have no idea what else it's capable of. I'll spend a month figuring out how to get a stud out of a flathead but not a minute figuring out this phone.

[totto]

Flathead Fever:

Nice "photos" and info. Just very similar to my '34 pickup.