Flathead V8 blocks not cast at the Rouge plant

[38 coupe]

I want to gather pictures of Ford flathead V8 engine blocks cast outside of the USA. Please post pictures of engines with features not common to USA blocks, along with an explanation of what the engine was originally used in. I'm gathering more information for flathead block identification thread version 2.
Thanks in advance!

[FlatheadTed]

The v8 Pilot Block cast I think in Dagenham UK ,21 stud has frost plugs between the fire wall back of the block ,can have a Lucas distributor sometimes with a 4 lob cam .centre of the head water out let ,there other features I don't know about ,Ted

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by FlatheadTed

The v8 Pilot Block cast I think in Dagenham UK ,21 stud has frost plugs between the fire wall back of the block ,can have a Lucas distributor sometimes with a 4 lob cam .

Here's that 21-stud PILOT block with freeze plug on rear of block.

Coop

[38 coupe]

Thank you for the picture.
I have a few questions about the 21 stud "Pilot" engines:
1 - what years was the production run of these motors?
2 - what vehicles did these go into (cars, trucks, other)?
3 - what size main bearings do these use?
4 - does anyone have a good picture showing both the front with the crank pulley and enough cylinder head to see it is a 21 stud?


At this point I'm learning about several versions of Canadian, English, German, and French built V8s. All good information about these is appreciated.
Thanks again.

[Brian]

The main bearings used in Pilots are the same as 36-38 [68 prefix]
the crankshaft resembles the 36-38 crankshaft casting, however, it has the longer snout as is found on 39 and later engines. Also, the crankpins are drilled differently; they have two holes per journal, one hole opposite the other. This is to allow the use of locked in shell bearings, which are flanged on one side.

[V8COOPMAN]

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Originally Posted by 38 coupe

Thank you for the picture.
I have a few questions about the 21 stud "Pilot" engines:
1 - what years was the production run of these motors?
2 - what vehicles did these go into (cars, trucks, other)?
3 - what size main bearings do these use?
4 - does anyone have a good picture showing both the front with the crank pulley and enough cylinder head to see it is a 21 stud?


At this point I'm learning about several versions of Canadian, English, German, and French built V8s. All good information about these is appreciated.
Thanks again.

Ford "PILOTS" were manufactured from '47 - '51. They have many similarities with an American '36 Ford. The picture BELOW shows a 1950 Pilot's engine compartment. The BOTTOM picture shows a PILOT 21-stud head (mounted on an American, '37 21-stud engine) which many of you have seen that has the Ford's firing order cast into it.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by 38 coupe

I want to gather pictures of Ford flathead V8 engine blocks cast outside of the USA. Please post pictures of engines with features not common to USA blocks, along with an explanation of what the engine was originally used in. I'm gathering more information for flathead block identification thread version 2.
Thanks in advance!

38 coupe - You want some ODDBALL V8 flathead pics? Here's one for you. The 1935 or so (I BELIEVE) 22 horsepower European precursor to the V8-60. It has 4 (FOUR) main bearings as well as only two exhaust outlets per side. Also note the oddball water inlet each side.

Coop

[Newc]

Canadian blocks have different casting marks and Canadian Military blocks also have some different marks and an extra oil cooler port in the bellhousing [ww2] T-16 tracked type vehicles Newc

[KiWinUS]

Canadian and USA 36 LB blocks have some machining differences.

[meric42]

Canadian Military Pattern (CMP) Trucks also used the extra hole in the block for oil filtering, and a bypass valve as explained in the attached documents.

[DavidG]

I don't have a photo of one handy, but early '33 Canadian V8 blocks had provision for both '32 vertical pet cocks and '33 angled pet cocks in recognition of the five-month lag in the '32 model job #1 of its subsidiary, Ford of Australia, which was largely repeated with the '33 models. One casting served two significantly different model year startups, Ford of Canada's domestic and ROW jobs #1 and that of Ford of Australia.

[21stud]

38 coupe,

Very good! this will be interesting. I see my block is allready posted
I'll email you.

[21stud]

Originally Posted by meric42

Canadian Military Pattern (CMP) Trucks also used the extra hole in the block for oil filtering, and a bypass valve as explained in the attached documents.

Neat documents, thanks for posting these!

[38 coupe]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

You want some ODDBALL V8 flathead pics? Here's one for you. The 1935 or so (I BELIEVE) 22 horsepower European precursor to the V8-60. It has 4 (FOUR) main bearings as well as only two exhaust outlets per side. Also note the oddball water inlet each side.

Coop

I remember reading an article in the V8 Times about these, I think Dave Cole was the author. It also explained why job #1 60 hp USA Ford in 1937 had a serial number over 6,000; the previous motors had been used in Europe.

Thank you for posting the pictures.

[38 coupe]

Originally Posted by DavidG

I don't have a photo of one handy, but early '33 Canadian V8 blocks had provision for both '32 vertical pet cocks and '33 angled pet cocks in recognition of the five-month lag in the '32 model job #1 of its subsidiary, Ford of Australia, which was largely repeated with the '33 models. One casting served two significantly different model year startups, Ford of Canada's domestic and ROW jobs #1 and that of Ford of Australia.

I think either you or David J posted pictures of one of these a while back. Please verify if these are pictures of a Canadian transition 32-33 block.



Thanks again!

[38 coupe]

Originally Posted by KiWinUS

Canadian and USA 36 LB blocks have some machining differences.

Is this the only difference for Canadian 36 LB? Was this done to identify an LB?



Again, thank you for helping with information.

[38 coupe]

Originally Posted by meric42

Canadian Military Pattern (CMP) Trucks also used the extra hole in the block for oil filtering, and a bypass valve as explained in the attached documents.

Thank you for the full length text, I have seen individual pages before but not been able to save everything together.
Here are a few pictures I have been able to gather over the years showing either full flow oil or an oil cooler.

[DavidG]

The engine block in your photos in #15 above appear to be of a early '33 transition version.

[4 MAINS V8]

Post#7. That’s one of three engines of this type that I have. The water outlet is connected to the ‘tin sided’ block. Most of these engines suffered from cracked blocks and were apparently recalled and replaced with the later three main bearing engine. My engines are currently for sale.

[Brian]

Is this the only difference for Canadian 36 LB? Was this done to identify an LB?


All Canadian blocks with insert mains [from 36 LB] have that pictured hole and another the same size out back beside the rear main....I can only surmise they were drilled to locate the block in fixtures for subsequent machining operations.