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Aok · 02-06-2012, 08:19 AM

Do any modifications need to be made to install a model B engine into a model A. I maybe be looking at one that has a 4 cyl B engine. I know it would have more hp and I think a actual oil pump so not too concerned about the engine just if changes had to be made to install. Like does it match up to the model A trans or is a adapter required and availability of B engine parts if needed.

62pan · 02-06-2012, 08:51 AM

As long as you use the A transmission the swap is fairly easy. You will need to remove the flywheel housing from the B oil pan. Then your B engine will bolt right up to the A flywheel housing and transmission. I have a B pan that has the flywheel housing part removed so if your not to far and you decided to do this maybe we could swap pans.
This has been talked about alot so if you have the time try the search section and I am sure alot of your questions will be answered.

Kurt in NJ · 02-06-2012, 08:58 AM

Yes, there are modifications, same oil pump as "A", but has some pressure to the mains, the oil pan has a larger cutout in the rear for the larger rear main cap, if you cut the back part off the "B" pan to make it looklike an A pan all the A stuff will work, if using the a dist the timing cover will need to be changed to time it properly with the pin ---to use the "B" trans a lot more modifications are needed --a place for the radius ball, pedals---rear mounts

darrylkmc · 02-06-2012, 12:51 PM

Model B oil pump is basically a modified Model A oil pump, be sure to use the one with the enlarged outlet and undercut shaft on the Model B engine. See Ford Service Bulletin 1932 page 67 Fig. 107 Oil Pumps.

Also, you can remove the spot welds holding the lower cover onto the oil pan of the Model B, this way if you want to reattach it later it can be welded back in place.

You will also need to modify the Model A inspection plate to fit, as this part did not exist for the Model B engine.

Darryl in Fairbanks

JB&Sons · 04-04-2012, 07:18 PM

I've been looking for an answer to the question posed here about mating a Model B motor with a Model A transmission. I'm not entirely clear on what the solution is. I have an A flywheel housing as well as a B; I have an A pan; I have a B pan. If I use the A pan, the diameter of the opening is too small for the main seal. If I use the B pan, I can't use the A flywheel housing and so can't link it with the A transmission.

I'm a newbie at this; can someone help me?

Much appreciated!

James Rogers · 04-04-2012, 07:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JB&Sons

I've been looking for an answer to the question posed here about mating a Model B motor with a Model A transmission. I'm not entirely clear on what the solution is. I have an A flywheel housing as well as a B; I have an A pan; I have a B pan. If I use the A pan, the diameter of the opening is too small for the main seal. If I use the B pan, I can't use the A flywheel housing and so can't link it with the A transmission.

I'm a newbie at this; can someone help me?

Much appreciated!

With a B engine you have to use the B pan but to install it into an A you need to remove the lower flywheel housing from the pan. The B pan has dimples in the side to clear the larger rods and the rear cutout for the seal is bigger. Use the A flywheel housing and all will fit as far as mounting it. The head will have to be changed or the pump modified to work. The timing cover will have to match the distributor ie: A cover with A distributor and B cover with B dist. Now, if you want to use the B stuff you will need a B transmission and the conversion kit to mount the pedals. Lots of work there.

JB&Sons · 04-05-2012, 06:12 PM

Jim, thanks again for the information. I said off line that I thought I had it, but as I explained it all to my dad, I realized I wasn't positive about one point.

You said that "the head will have to be changed or the pump modified to work." I have a high compression "C" head for it; will that take care of things? And just to be clear, you mean the water pump, right?

Thanks again!

Dan

columbiA · 04-05-2012, 10:10 PM

JB You can use the 32-34 model B head (large C),& the 32 B water pump.For a rad hose,ive used a molded hose & cut a section that had a straight piece with a slight curve on one end.A straight hose would work,but would have a slight buckle in it.The 33-34 B water pump is shorter & will not work.The 32-34 heads are 4.6-1 CR,the A head 4.2 CR,so there is a slight increase.A 5.5 or 5.9 head will really wake them up.

Geo. H · 04-06-2012, 01:07 AM

I have a B engine, and a B transmission with '39 gears in my roadster. In my opinion, this mod is no more work than modifying a B pan so you can use the A transmission. Costs a little more, but the synchro and gear ratios make for a much more drivable car.

JB&Sons · 04-08-2012, 07:58 PM

Happy Easter, everyone. My dad and I really appreciate the help y'all have been giving us here. We have another question, though. Geo. H: If we decide to use a B transmission (because of your very good point about the useability of the car), will we have to modify the drive shaft? Thanks in advance

pat in Santa Cruz · 04-08-2012, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB&Sons

Happy Easter, everyone. My dad and I really appreciate the help y'all have been giving us here. We have another question, though. Geo. H: If we decide to use a B transmission (because of your very good point about the useability of the car), will we have to modify the drive shaft? Thanks in advance

not the driveshaft, but you will need a pedal shaft kit, a radius ball adapter and clamshells for a B or V8 to match the B bearing retainer bolt pattern. You will also need to modify the rear engine mounts or use a set of B float o motor mounts in the rear.

Geo. H · 04-08-2012, 11:54 PM

Pat gave you the right answer. It's not hard, and you don't have to make any permanent mods. Makes for a great driver, but some of the Model A charm is gone.

02-06-2012, 08:19 AM	#1
Aok Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tx Posts: 502	B Engine question Do any modifications need to be made to install a model B engine into a model A. I maybe be looking at one that has a 4 cyl B engine. I know it would have more hp and I think a actual oil pump so not too concerned about the engine just if changes had to be made to install. Like does it match up to the model A trans or is a adapter required and availability of B engine parts if needed.

02-06-2012, 08:51 AM	#2
62pan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middletown Pa Posts: 391	Re: B Engine question As long as you use the A transmission the swap is fairly easy. You will need to remove the flywheel housing from the B oil pan. Then your B engine will bolt right up to the A flywheel housing and transmission. I have a B pan that has the flywheel housing part removed so if your not to far and you decided to do this maybe we could swap pans. This has been talked about alot so if you have the time try the search section and I am sure alot of your questions will be answered.

02-06-2012, 08:58 AM	#3
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,159	Re: B Engine question Yes, there are modifications, same oil pump as "A", but has some pressure to the mains, the oil pan has a larger cutout in the rear for the larger rear main cap, if you cut the back part off the "B" pan to make it looklike an A pan all the A stuff will work, if using the a dist the timing cover will need to be changed to time it properly with the pin ---to use the "B" trans a lot more modifications are needed --a place for the radius ball, pedals---rear mounts

02-06-2012, 12:51 PM	#4
darrylkmc Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Posts: 767	Re: B Engine question Model B oil pump is basically a modified Model A oil pump, be sure to use the one with the enlarged outlet and undercut shaft on the Model B engine. See Ford Service Bulletin 1932 page 67 Fig. 107 Oil Pumps. Also, you can remove the spot welds holding the lower cover onto the oil pan of the Model B, this way if you want to reattach it later it can be welded back in place. You will also need to modify the Model A inspection plate to fit, as this part did not exist for the Model B engine. Darryl in Fairbanks Last edited by darrylkmc; 02-06-2012 at 02:22 PM. Reason: Added Ford Service Bulletin 1932 info

04-04-2012, 07:18 PM	#5
JB&Sons Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 10	Re: B Engine question I've been looking for an answer to the question posed here about mating a Model B motor with a Model A transmission. I'm not entirely clear on what the solution is. I have an A flywheel housing as well as a B; I have an A pan; I have a B pan. If I use the A pan, the diameter of the opening is too small for the main seal. If I use the B pan, I can't use the A flywheel housing and so can't link it with the A transmission. I'm a newbie at this; can someone help me? Much appreciated!

04-05-2012, 06:12 PM	#7
JB&Sons Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 10	Re: B Engine question Jim, thanks again for the information. I said off line that I thought I had it, but as I explained it all to my dad, I realized I wasn't positive about one point. You said that "the head will have to be changed or the pump modified to work." I have a high compression "C" head for it; will that take care of things? And just to be clear, you mean the water pump, right? Thanks again! Dan

04-05-2012, 10:10 PM	#8
columbiA Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,746	Re: B Engine question JB You can use the 32-34 model B head (large C),& the 32 B water pump.For a rad hose,ive used a molded hose & cut a section that had a straight piece with a slight curve on one end.A straight hose would work,but would have a slight buckle in it.The 33-34 B water pump is shorter & will not work.The 32-34 heads are 4.6-1 CR,the A head 4.2 CR,so there is a slight increase.A 5.5 or 5.9 head will really wake them up.

04-06-2012, 01:07 AM	#9
Geo. H Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 374	Re: B Engine question I have a B engine, and a B transmission with '39 gears in my roadster. In my opinion, this mod is no more work than modifying a B pan so you can use the A transmission. Costs a little more, but the synchro and gear ratios make for a much more drivable car.

04-08-2012, 07:58 PM	#10
JB&Sons Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 10	Re: B Engine question Happy Easter, everyone. My dad and I really appreciate the help y'all have been giving us here. We have another question, though. Geo. H: If we decide to use a B transmission (because of your very good point about the useability of the car), will we have to modify the drive shaft? Thanks in advance

04-08-2012, 11:54 PM	#12
Geo. H Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 374	Re: B Engine question Pat gave you the right answer. It's not hard, and you don't have to make any permanent mods. Makes for a great driver, but some of the Model A charm is gone.