M.Kube,Charlie,NY,52Henry

[39portlander]

Interesting thread and reply's, similar to what I was dealing with cab wood on my 39 P/U. I had to order 38 cab wood, seems Ford used up what they had and then changed thing's again

What is the longest year span Ford ever kept a part or design with out changeing it again year to year I'm learning why alot of these Ford guy's have no hair.

[ken ct]

Your theory seems to hold some water 38,i know there seems to be many more CG that are blank on the drivers side than 91-99's CG.Im going to go with the "what ever the customer wants he gets" deal,that way it takes the mistake out of my hands when he makes the choice.Thanks for your opinion 38. ken ct.

[ken ct]

Originally Posted by 39portlander

Interesting thread and reply's, similar to what I was dealing with cab wood on my 39 P/U. I had to order 38 cab wood, seems Ford used up what they had and then changed thing's again

What is the longest year span Ford ever kept a part or design with out changeing it again year to year I'm learning why alot of these Ford guy's have no hair.

Dont know on that Fuel Pumps from late 36 to 40 did not change,thats a 4 1/2 yr run w/o a change,maybe those would be in the running? lol ken ct. And for such a long run WHY are these so hard to find???

[turnpikecrusier]

My 36 UTE has a Chandler Grove on it,is it not correct?

[ken ct]

Originally Posted by turnpikecrusier

My 36 UTE has a Chandler Grove on it,is it not correct?

I would say not correct,in my opinion should be a #48 or #97 strom. Most likely a 97. ken ct. or as was an option in 36 an 81 strom. at least in the states.

[1952henry]

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Slightly off-topic but I acquired a Chandler-Groves carburetor for a Lincoln. It had Chandler Groves, 91-99, and on the back LZ. I restored it, then put it on the LZOC site, and it went to England!

Here 'tis, sans the base:


Here 'tis, fresh from ebay:

[Bruce Lancaster]

"However, there is no indication as to who built the 91-99's"
I think all of these things in my pile of parts have the builder designation on the right side of the main bowl /body casting near the bottom of the accel pump...H for Holley, F (usually in script) for the minority built by Ford.
I also have 3 CG carbs, provenance and exact age unknown...2 are Holley built, one is Ford built.
I think that all of the top and bowl castings except 59 type passed out of the parts supply quickly, as Ford simply substituted the later versions culminating with the 59. The CG types had minor metering differences in the bleed holes on nozzle bars, at least, on the others I think just about all the change was in bowl vent locations and none of the changes precluded use on the older models as replacement parts.
Most of these carbs have passed through the hands of commercial rebuilders during their lives, and were rebuilt in huge batches with all the parts reassembled in random combinations, so a high percentage of core carbs are not really representative of anything in particular.

[Vic Piano]

So, in conclusion, one can surmise (based on the information herein) that, at best, the evidence is inconclusive with respect to exactly identifying the correct (if that is even a proper term to use in this situation) factory installed carburetor for late production '38 as well as most production '39's. Additionally, as noted, most carburetors in question (over the last 70+ years) have been rebuilt at least once and could have possibly (most likely) been rebuilt using myriad components that were/are interchangeable with several types of carburetors used in Ford production at that time. If, in fact, this preponderance of evidence holds true, does that negate the loss of points in judging, relevant to the question of correctness with respect to the carburetor? Just curious…

[DavidG]

39portlander,

In response to your earlier question, three candidates come to mind, both of 17 years of use (1932-48) without change, namely the front wheel bearings, V-8 starter motors and universal joints.

[DavidG]

Wheel lug nuts would be another candidate.

[Bruce Lancaster]

Judging is based on what the factory was supposed to have used the day the car was assembled...though that may be hard to figure out. Problems that have accumulated since that day, including Ford replacemant parts, do not affect what judging involves! There are probably a lot of legitimate variants of parts reaching assembly plants a bit earlier or later than judging standards, but judging would still be based on what the judging book says!

[Vic Piano]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

Judging is based on what the factory was supposed to have used the day the car was assembled...though that may be hard to figure out. Problems that have accumulated since that day, including Ford replacemant parts, do not affect what judging involves! There are probably a lot of legitimate variants of parts reaching assembly plants a bit earlier or later than judging standards, but judging would still be based on what the judging book says!

My point exactly! Even with little or no factual proof, the judging criteria will penalize a participant if his vehicle does not conform to their standards (right or wrong)... In my opinion, that practice severely diminishes the value of judging for correctness...

[1942deluxe]

91A 2106 retainer for the rubber brake lines would be my guess as the longest
used part number.The prefix indicates 1939(hydraulic brakes first year) and is
still a good number from Ford!Kind of a horse shoe clip.The B7A 2457 A brake
pad(1957) was used up until recently.Now when you look up a part you need
the VIN number because of the frequency of changes.......

[ken ct]

And when you get down to the nitty gritty its all up to the Judge. And who wrote up the judgeing standards ,people like you and me. ken ct.

[37 Coupe]

Originally Posted by 1942deluxe

91A 2106 retainer for the rubber brake lines would be my guess as the longest
used part number.The prefix indicates 1939(hydraulic brakes first year) and is
still a good number from Ford!Kind of a horse shoe clip.The B7A 2457 A brake
pad(1957) was used up until recently.Now when you look up a part you need
the VIN number because of the frequency of changes.......

The FL1A oil filter and the 9 inch rear end?

[JM 35 Sedan]

Originally Posted by Charlie ny

Ken,
What the hell happened to Mike Kubarths' reply....it was there this
morning........................................was n't it ?
Charlie ny
PS
By the way the '52 Olds Rochester 4 brl carb on my stroker Flathead
appears to be exactly the correct carb for my '41 1/2 ton

Looks like he bailed out on you Charlie. It's called edit/delete/cut and run, etc. Some guys do this when they realize they have posted something that could be construed as incorrect or maybe they can't take the heat of the information posted by others who may have better information to present. JMHO

[Vic Piano]

John, as we all know, anyone that represents themselves, to be the indisputable expert on any subject, is only subjecting themselves to scrutiny from those that may question the validity of their alleged expertise. It’s when they claim to have garnered the (so called irrefutable knowledge and information) through years of exhaustive research, but repeatedly decline request from questioners to present the sources of that research (for verification). That simply serves to further diminish the validity of their previous statements, which they ascertain to be factual beyond any doubt. In my opinion, those individuals are engaging in a game of self-aggrandizement that ultimately results to their own detriment.
This pastime we take part in is supposed to be a hobby, which by definition is; an activity or interest perused and engaged in primarily for pleasure. My take on that is to not take these things (judging and correctness of parts, etc.) too seriously. Right or wrong, as Henry built it or otherwise, I enjoy driving our cars and hold no rancor for those that would rather restore a vehicle to a level far beyond what any production car of the era could have or would have achieved. I enjoy looking at those vehicles as well, and fully appreciate the amount of work and dedication that went into creating it. The question of the correctness of a carburetor or most any other part on the vehicle never comes to mind.

I think I'll go out for a drive... Vic

[Old Henry]

Originally Posted by ken ct

There are many mistakes in the green bible . . . I guess its up to the judges frame of mind and their not always right either.

Even though the "Green Bible" may not always be accurate, it is documentation. I actually used it to avoid a loss of points in judging my car at the EFV8 Western National Meet when the judges said my front spring should have a cover like the back one. I showed them my "Bible" that had no parts listing for such a cover on the front spring of my car. What could they do? They had no choice. They could hardly argue with the green bible. That had to leave me the points.

So, right or wrong, the green bible is still great documentation to support your position at judging time.

[JM 35 Sedan]

Originally Posted by Vic Piano

John, as we all know, anyone that represents themselves, to be the indisputable expert on any subject, is only subjecting themselves to scrutiny from those that may question the validity of their alleged expertise. It’s when they claim to have garnered the (so called irrefutable knowledge and information) through years of exhaustive research, but repeatedly decline request from questioners to present the sources of that research (for verification). That simply serves to further diminish the validity of their previous statements, which they ascertain to be factual beyond any doubt. In my opinion, those individuals are engaging in a game of self-aggrandizement that ultimately results to their own detriment.
This pastime we take part in is supposed to be a hobby, which by definition is; an activity or interest perused and engaged in primarily for pleasure. My take on that is to not take these things (judging and correctness of parts, etc.) too seriously. Right or wrong, as Henry built it or otherwise, I enjoy driving our cars and hold no rancor for those that would rather restore a vehicle to a level far beyond what any production car of the era could have or would have achieved. I enjoy looking at those vehicles as well, and fully appreciate the amount of work and dedication that went into creating it. The question of the correctness of a carburetor or most any other part on the vehicle never comes to mind.

I think I'll go out for a drive... Vic

Vic, all good points and well said.

As for taking a drive....I can honestly say whenever I am driving or riding in an early Ford Flathead powered V8 I am totally in my glory. Not too many other things I do or have done can compare.

[G.M.]

John talking about glory you have to tell Vic about my duals. G.M.