using floor jack under front axel okay?

[fredski]

can I lift from center of front axel to raise car to lift both wheels.
again what about lifting from rear differential to lift both back wheels.

just do not want to twist axel or frame.
any other suggestions?? could not find info in search forums.

fredski

[roccaas]

Yes to both. I put a 2X4 treated block between the jack and center of the axle or diff.

Make sure it is balanced as you lift, and put the jack stands as far apart without touching anything valuable out near the hubs.

[Bob-A]

It's the way I've been doing it for years. And have yet to hurt anything that I can tell. Once either axle is lifted up jackstands go under each wheel immediately. And could quality stands too............

Bob-A

[Patrick L.]

Many will argue with me, but, I say yes to the front and no to the rear. I jack each side of the rear, I don't put a jack on the differential.

[Bill Underwood]

Yes to the front end. If complete car, I do not jack under the banjo. On just the chassis I will jack in the center

[fredski]

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Originally Posted by Patrick L.

Many will argue with me, but, I say yes to the front and no to the rear. I jack each side of the rear, I don't put a jack on the differential.

why? a safety reason or other.

thanks


fred

[billwill]

Yes to both questons

[Mitch//pa]

fred if you type in the search box "jacking up a model A" lots of threads will show up and info including jack stands. the majority consensus is its ok to jack the banjo...

[fredski]

will go to search as mitch suggested .

thanks all for replies.

fredski

[V4F]

been doin both for years . I use just a jack in front (watch out for splash apron) , then good jack stands . rear I do use a 2x4 or 4x4 on the jack because the rear is high . jack stands on rear also . since floor jacks do move as they go up , be sure it is out of gear .

[Bill Underwood]

With full body I don't like that much weight on a hollow casting.Also a lot of stress on the assembly with the spring.
Probably just too cautious
I've never herd of one breaking but have seen some chipped out banjos before

[Tom Endy]

"Don't jack up the rear of a Model A with the jack under the banjo".

I never heard that one before. I have jacked a Model A up hundreds, maybe thousands of times, without inflicting any damage. I am curious as to how this practice can cause any ill affects.

A fully assembled rear axle assembly is pretty robust. There is a machined groove inside the flange of each axle housing that neatly fits inside the machined inner diameter of the banjo flanges. With all 20 bolts installed and torqued down the banjo has a lot of strength.

However, the banjo by itself can easily be bent out of shape if you are not careful.

Some of the early "how to" books suggested that a bottle jack be placed inside the banjo to remove the double race for the pinion bearings. This you should never do as it can easily distort the shape of the banjo. When removing the double race a tool should be used that presses against the torque tube flange.

Another thing you should never do is set the banjo on the platform of a shop press to press a new double race it. It can easily re-shape the banjo to that of a football. This was a lesson learned during my early learning curve education. Place a piece of metal across the rails of the shop press and hang the banjo from it with an old double race under the torque tube flange when pressing a new race in.

Tom Endy

[Roadster62]

Just place an old buffing pad on your floor jack if you are worried about paint chips. You have a better chance of bending the ignition key than damaging either Model A axle with a floor jack. Bob

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by Roadster62

Just place an old buffing pad on your floor jack if you are worried about paint chips. You have a better chance of bending the ignition key than damaging either Model A axle with a floor jack. Bob

Ditto

[theHIGHLANDER]

Originally Posted by Roadster62

Just place an old buffing pad on your floor jack if you are worried about paint chips. You have a better chance of bending the ignition key than damaging either Model A axle with a floor jack. Bob

I'm there too. I was starting to worry how many As I've ruined. Imagine jacking up a big ol Packard 12 like that!

[1931 flamingo]

how about a chainfall and chain wrapped around bumper....................................
Paul

[tbirdtbird]

None of the banjo or axle tubes are castings; if they were they would have been destroyed yrs ago.

OK to jack under the middle of the front axle;
BUT
NEVER
use a tow chain or cable on the middle of the front axle; always make a bridle so you are pulling from each of the 2 ends of the front axle. Else, since you are towing the weight of the entire car you WILL bend the axle.

This is true for any car with a solid front axle.

[Cool Hand Lurker]

The strongest part of the axle is the best place to jack. This is where the weight of the chassis is attached. In other words, close to where the spring perches are and where the weight is transferred to the wheel and then to the ground. Leverage on the center of an axle created by the weight of the chassis can bend the axle.

[theHIGHLANDER]

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Lurker

The strongest part of the axle is the best place to jack. This is where the weight of the chassis is attached. In other words, close to where the spring perches are and where the weight is transferred to the wheel and then to the ground. Leverage on the center of an axle created by the weight of the chassis can bend the axle.

I wouldn't even consider driving a car on the roads we have today, let alone the trash these poor things have survived, on a component so "delicate" yet so important. Unless you chain the ends to the floor and take it up with a 2-3 ton jack you ain't bending anything. I'd challenge anybody to prove me wrong.

[Roadster62]

I mentioned this question to the boss at work today. He said stamp collecting is a far safer hobby. Bob