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11-10-2015, 09:49 AM | #1 |
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The first 200 Model A's...
Does anyone have any information on just what the first 200 Model A's were that Ford rolled off the assembly line in November 1927?
I believe that this information is by engine number only. If you have that information, Could you please share with the rest of us? Thanks. Pluk |
11-10-2015, 10:29 AM | #2 |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
Go buy the the first sales brochure to determine the body styles.
My guess is that there is no record of the quantity of each body style made. Perhaps it would be interesting to setup a survey here on the Ford Barn to get a sense of how many of the first 200 vehicles have survived.
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11-10-2015, 10:36 AM | #3 |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
I read that the first several hundred Model As were Tudor sedans. Edison's Model A started out as a Tudor then was later converted to a phaeton.
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11-10-2015, 02:04 PM | #4 |
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I think I agree with P.S. It seems like Ford would want to kick the most demanded body style out the door first to get things rolling and profits coming in.
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11-10-2015, 06:45 PM | #5 |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
FWIW I know of one early car (number 75 or so...) in Tennessee and it's a roadster.
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Below is a list that was part of the foreman's daily log. This list was sent to Congressman Charles Bass, who was the previous owner of A189 and A495. They were found by George De Angelis and sent on June 3, 2002. Sorry that it is so long. I did type it out in a 6 column format. However, when I copied it and pasted it that format was not preserved. If there is no sequential number behind a particular engine, then it was not sent to final assembly. Model A Engine sent to Final Assembly (Engine numbers are on the left. Sequential number is on the right. Why it does not count the first two, I don’t know.) Oct 21st 12 13 14 Dearborne Oct. 26th 8 1 11 2 15 3 16 4 39 5 Oct. 27th 17 6 25 7 35 8 43 9 50 10 83 12 121 13 122 14 125 15 Oct. 28th 26 16 41 17 55 18 69 19 88 20 127 21 Oct. 31st 2 22 3 23 23 24 32 25 42 26 44 27 48 28 51 29 58 30 62 31 77 87 32 94 33 95 34 97 35 98 36 106 37 107 38 116 39 124 40 126 41 128 42 129 43 133 44 134 45 Nov. 1st 1 46 7 47 9 48 59 49 74 50 78 51 84 52 91 53 99 54 112 55 135 56 137 57 Nov. 2nd 19 58 85 59 138 60 143 61 151 62 Nov. 3rd 18 63 37 64 163 65 172 66 177 67 Nov. 4th 92 68 167 69 170 70 175 71 186 72 187 73 188 153 248 252 74 256 75 257 76 274 77 287 78 228 79 255 80 276 81 262 82 241 83 292 84 201 85 263 86 304 87 308 88 284 89 300 90 264 91 290 92 315 93 234 94 239 95 268 96 312 97 285 98 Nov. 7th 152 99 369 100 354 101 360 102 330 103 378 104 250 105 266 106 367 107 389 108 390 109 366 110 288 111 395 112 373 113 396 114 205 115 383 116 398 117 365 118 214 119 337 120 Nov. 8th ‘Motors run ½ Hr on own Power.’ 433 121 434 122 435 123 432 124 430 125 309 126 431 127 20 128 380 129 391 130 375 131 372 132 376 133 109 134 56 135 Nov. 9th 66 136 311 137 361 138 450 HR139 412 140 444 HR 141 265 399 142 90 143 438 144 45 145 449 146 144 147 440 148 Nov. 10th 104 149 280 150 336 151 40 152 306 153 409 154 325 155 339 156 157 157 103 158 93 159 96 160 142 161 386 162 384 163 139 164 147 165 ‘not run on its own power.’ Nov. 14th 52 166 120 167 148 168 215 169 289 176 170 368 212 171 247 332 172 392 173 233 174 414 175 4 176 209 177 464 178 371 179 446 36 180 448 181 439 182 Nov. 15th 219 402 183 348 447 27 267 271 190 357 245 416 344 437 381 184 436 211 185 307 186 132 187 359 188 317 460 165 156 181 117 222 197 174 377 443 105 79 342 353 189 196 190 397 191 397 192 238 193 590 194 578 195 571 196 591 197 575 198 586 199 442 200 ??? 481 201 473 202 ??? 496 203 |
11-11-2015, 12:36 AM | #7 |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
here are a few pictures of 241 and 354
241 was released on Nov 4th 1927 354 was released on Nov 7th 1927 tom |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
Looking at Deans list very is interesting , My thinking would be the engine #s that are missing on the left column is they were defective engines that had to be pulled out of the assembly line . That is my thoughts . Thanks for posting and a History Lesson to boot.
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
I thought that the engine number was not stamped until it had passed the dyno test and QA.
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
Ed, you have a good point. There was an engine break-in line where the engine was coupled with an electric motor and then spun until it was broken in to a point, then stamped with a number, as you suggested. The list from the archives seems to indicate that the engines after November 7th were run on their own power.
Now what Quality Assurance criteria were there? How did engines get disqualified? This will take someone with information, insight or knowledge of engine building to explain. Until then,I am going to do some number crunching on this list. |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
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here is the first ford in san francisco,open end bumpers no idea of the motor number tom |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
The Dog wonders what % of the cars wouldn't drive under their own power, at the end of the assembly line?
In 1953, I stood for about 30 minutes at the end of the Ford line, and only 1 car failed to start. Drivers would REV them up, SCREECH the tires & drive over a pit, for a QUICK toe in adjustment, SCREECH again, & DISAPPEAR Bill W.
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11-13-2015, 07:31 AM | #13 |
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
I suspect that most if not all of the first 200 Model A's went to dealers as showroom cars.
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Re: The first 200 Model A's...
I was curious, so I searched for a thread on the earliest Model As and came up with this. Others may have seen this before, but I had not.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...earliest+model Dean's was not mentioned in this. I feel confident that there are others out there, as well. |
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As I was looking through the engine release list several years ago, I recall seeing more than one instance where an engine number was logged as being sent to final assembly more than once. I'm pretty sure there was one very early engine (a two digit one, I believe) that was sent three times! Can't recall if there were any notations explaining why but I would assume it was because problems were discovered after they reached the line. Now I need to dig that list back out... |
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He also said, incidentally, that phaetons were favorite cars to work on because of their classy appearance....and Fordors were disliked, something about them being very tedious work on or the like. |
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