The Ford Barn

SkipShift · 10-09-2014, 02:46 PM

Powered by what else, a FORD. Some nice old photo's of this boat and the Rouge plant. Henry is behind the wheel in this photo with one leg partially covering the boat's name. Interesting story too. Part one as posted on Woodyboater. http://www.woodyboater.com/classic-boats/ford/

Domino · 10-09-2014, 02:49 PM

Neat photo. We sure dress differently for boating today. Thanks for sharig.

James Rogers · 10-09-2014, 02:52 PM

I believe you are wrong about him being behind the wheel (not that it matters) since boats are most always right hand drive, even to today. What's up with that anyway?

SkipShift · 10-09-2014, 02:58 PM

Photo and description are from the The Rosenfeld Collection. Boats of this era had the wheel on the left. There are more famous people in the photo if you care to read the story.

SkipShift · 10-09-2014, 03:06 PM

James Rogers · 10-09-2014, 03:39 PM

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All the boats in the foreground steer from the right, explain that. The one in your second picture could be a flipped negative. I also don't see a steering wheel in front of Ford.

Patrick L. · 10-09-2014, 03:40 PM

Awesome pictures !

I think the 2 race boats on the left are Gar-Woods and it looks like the engines are liberties.

What kind of Ford motor is in Fords boat ?

I like those old wooden critters and they tend to be ambidextrous [sp]. It depended on who built it.

Tom Wesenberg · 10-09-2014, 04:21 PM

It looks to me like the person on the right side of the windshield has his hands on the wheel, which would make it right hand steering. My 1959 Crestliner has the steering wheel on the left, and I read in the sales lit that it could be ordered either way.

C26Pinelake · 10-09-2014, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Rogers

All the boats in the foreground steer from the right, explain that. The one in your second picture could be a flipped negative. I also don't see a steering wheel in front of Ford.

Does it really matter whether he is behind the steering wheel ?
Wayne

Hoogah · 10-09-2014, 04:43 PM

I'm more concerned about the poor guy who appears to be DEAD in the boat on the right!

SkipShift · 10-09-2014, 04:46 PM

Second photo is the same boat Evangeline as viewed from the barrel back stern. Yes, Garfield Wood is also in this photo. All your questions can be answered by reading the story and there are more photo's of Henry as well as more boat photo's and it's current condition and the motor. http://www.woodyboater.com/classic-boats/ford/

45GPW · 10-09-2014, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Rogers

I believe you are wrong about him being behind the wheel (not that it matters) since boats are most always right hand drive, even to today. What's up with that anyway?

Because the right-hand side of a vessel is the starboard side.

The term "starboard" comes from Old English steor bord (steer side), so-named because before centerline rudders became the norm on sailing vessels, the steering oar was located on the right side of a vessel.

By contrast, the port side of a vessel was originally called "larboard" (load side). Vessels would dock for loading on the port side, and if the steering oar had been located on that side, it would get in the way of docking.

Barber31 · 10-09-2014, 04:56 PM

The second photo of the boat doesn't seem to be flipped as what I'm assuming is a step plate is on the left hand side on both pictures.

Patrick L. · 10-09-2014, 05:09 PM

Thanks for posting this. I should have read the story, its amazing. Couldn't stop. And it makes sense what engine it would have.

Vern · 10-09-2014, 05:14 PM

Interesting photos. But the second photo doesn't match the first, there is no windshield at the rear cockpit, and no evidence of one being mounted, no holes. It may be the same Evangaline, but they were taken at different times. No matter, it is still interesting. Thanks for posting this bit of history. Vern

montanafordman · 10-09-2014, 07:54 PM

Beautiful boat and some cool history! The later photos of the boat show it as left hand drive also. While most boats may be right hand drive this was more or less custom built for Henry so if he wanted it LHD I'm sure they accommodated him on that. Thanks for sharing!

denis4x4 · 10-09-2014, 09:28 PM

Early Chris-Craft boats used Model A steering boxes and many Detroit auto executives used Garwood, Hacker and Chris-Craft boats as commuters in the late twenties and early thirties.

SkipShift · 10-09-2014, 10:38 PM

I'm used to looking at pre-war boats with left hand drive so it doesn't seem unusual to me. There are four of them in this photo I took in Hessel.

big job · 10-10-2014, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Rogers

All the boats in the foreground steer from the right, explain that. The one in your second picture could be a flipped negative. I also don't see a steering wheel in front of Ford.

I'll see If I can clarify this which was told to me by my uncle a boat builder
up to 72 footers. This is all about the engine configuration.
The easiest casting for the marine gear was driven off the front of a standard
rotation engine so now the prop shaft turns clockwise right. And then,
by some to cast a real rear bellhousing (more expensive) so now the prop
shaft turns a normal left. This is what determines which side the helm is
built. Most larger twins the helm is usually in the center. I think front
driven reverse gear setups were phased out maybe mid fiftys. So I my
brain tells me & I got CRS all those pics above with right helms turned standard rotation props. Last I had was a 30' 1939 Elco Flathead Chry.
marine front driven gear right hand prop, helm on the port side.
sam

Patrick L. · 10-10-2014, 05:41 AM

The article clears up this steering wheel issue nicely.

callcoy · 10-10-2014, 09:57 AM

When I was in the business of building and selling "Flat Bottom V-Drive" Ski, Drag and Marathon boats, we placed the steering wheel per prop rotation. The majority of these types of boats in the day were connected to the v-drive from the flywheel engine end. The v-drive reversed the rotation making it left hand at the prop shaft. As these boats caught a great deal of air at speed, controlling the prop torque was to be considered along with the engine torque. So we placed the steering wheel on the left, the fine old boats shown in the photos above really never came out of the water like a powerful v-drive. We also offset the rudder to the left to counteract the torque steer to the right as a result of the prop. This also made it much easier to pull the shaft if needed.

Our blown fuel hydro drag boat that we set the record with was a counter rotating twin screw, prop torque was not a problem and it steered itself, all you had to do was hang on.

Sorry if this is off topic a little but someone did open the door on wheel location. Thanks to the gentleman that posted the excellent photos!

29Cabriolet · 10-10-2014, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C26Pinelake

Does it really matter whether he is behind the steering wheel ?
Wayne

Well yes. Otherwise there could be no cause for debate on this thread!

Patrick L. · 10-10-2014, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 29Cabriolet

Well yes. Otherwise there could be no cause for debate on this thread!

Hehehehe, we always can use a good 'debate'. Of course, the article puts an end to this 'debate'.

updraught · 09-11-2017, 07:12 AM

Digging up an old thread.

Evangaline is for sale.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGIyiDgPVL8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vg62RpcYmYE

There have been updates to the story since this thread.

http://www.woodyboater.com/blog/2015...cker-part-2-1/

Twin updraught Zeniths and 450hp.

http://www.woodyboater.com/blog/2015...bout-part-2-2/

Terry, NJ · 09-11-2017, 07:28 AM

It is sweet!(The boat I mean) Looks to be a mid thirties Chris Craft, but there were other makers. CC made a lot of those triple Cockpit, engine amidships, 27 foot and up, boats. They make me saiivate. The race boats, as someone said, look like Gar Woods with Liberty engines. Nice Picture!
Terry

I see the boat is a Hacker, not a Chis Craft, and it is a 1924! Very advanced for 1924! It looks like a mid to late 1930s "Barrel Back". This boat is a mind blower! What else for HF?

BILL WILLIAMSON · 09-11-2017, 09:40 AM

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Boats spend MOST of their life just sittin' in someones' DRIVEWAY, just DRYING out & CRACKING!---LOL
Bill Carguy

Benson · 09-11-2017, 10:54 AM

8 Ton Sledge: Gar Wood’s 6400 HP Miss America X Boat Owned The World In ’32 and ’33.

click to see article:
https://bangshift.com/general-news/v...-and-33-video/

Engineers told Gar Wood that it was impossible to build a transmission box to hook the two 1600 HP Packard engines together ...

So he built two of them, one for each pair of engines ...

Gar Wood says in video that the HP is 6400 ... Article says 7200 and 7000 in title. I know that the later engines were super charged so that might be the difference.

Legend has it that Gar Wood's boat designs were used to make the PT Boats of World War II fame.

updraught · 09-12-2017, 06:11 AM

I found it interesting that the boat, while owned by Mr Ford, was called "Evangeline" according to the boat mechanic interviewed in the early 50's.

Don't try this at home folks.

Naming your boat after your mistress may not be good for your health.

Google "evangeline cote dahlinger" for more info on the name.

10-09-2014, 02:46 PM	#1
SkipShift Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Traverse City, Mi Posts: 185	EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Powered by what else, a FORD. Some nice old photo's of this boat and the Rouge plant. Henry is behind the wheel in this photo with one leg partially covering the boat's name. Interesting story too. Part one as posted on Woodyboater. http://www.woodyboater.com/classic-boats/ford/

10-09-2014, 02:49 PM	#2
Domino Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 412	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Neat photo. We sure dress differently for boating today. Thanks for sharig.

10-09-2014, 02:52 PM	#3
James Rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Asheville,NC Posts: 3,104	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress I believe you are wrong about him being behind the wheel (not that it matters) since boats are most always right hand drive, even to today. What's up with that anyway? __________________ http://www.model-a-ford-4bangers.com/

10-09-2014, 02:58 PM	#4
SkipShift Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Traverse City, Mi Posts: 185	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Photo and description are from the The Rosenfeld Collection. Boats of this era had the wheel on the left. There are more famous people in the photo if you care to read the story.

10-09-2014, 03:06 PM	#5
SkipShift Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Traverse City, Mi Posts: 185	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress

10-09-2014, 03:39 PM	#6
James Rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Asheville,NC Posts: 3,104	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) All the boats in the foreground steer from the right, explain that. The one in your second picture could be a flipped negative. I also don't see a steering wheel in front of Ford. __________________ http://www.model-a-ford-4bangers.com/

10-09-2014, 03:40 PM	#7
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Awesome pictures ! I think the 2 race boats on the left are Gar-Woods and it looks like the engines are liberties. What kind of Ford motor is in Fords boat ? I like those old wooden critters and they tend to be ambidextrous [sp]. It depended on who built it. Last edited by Patrick L.; 10-09-2014 at 03:53 PM.

10-09-2014, 04:21 PM	#8
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress It looks to me like the person on the right side of the windshield has his hands on the wheel, which would make it right hand steering. My 1959 Crestliner has the steering wheel on the left, and I read in the sales lit that it could be ordered either way.

10-09-2014, 04:43 PM	#10
Hoogah Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Warrnambool, Victoria, Australia Posts: 800	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress I'm more concerned about the poor guy who appears to be DEAD in the boat on the right!

10-09-2014, 04:46 PM	#11
SkipShift Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Traverse City, Mi Posts: 185	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Second photo is the same boat Evangeline as viewed from the barrel back stern. Yes, Garfield Wood is also in this photo. All your questions can be answered by reading the story and there are more photo's of Henry as well as more boat photo's and it's current condition and the motor. http://www.woodyboater.com/classic-boats/ford/

10-09-2014, 04:56 PM	#13
Barber31 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 687	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress The second photo of the boat doesn't seem to be flipped as what I'm assuming is a step plate is on the left hand side on both pictures.

10-09-2014, 05:09 PM	#14
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Thanks for posting this. I should have read the story, its amazing. Couldn't stop. And it makes sense what engine it would have.

10-09-2014, 05:14 PM	#15
Vern Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 572	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Interesting photos. But the second photo doesn't match the first, there is no windshield at the rear cockpit, and no evidence of one being mounted, no holes. It may be the same Evangaline, but they were taken at different times. No matter, it is still interesting. Thanks for posting this bit of history. Vern

10-09-2014, 07:54 PM	#16
montanafordman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Meridian, ID Posts: 568	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Beautiful boat and some cool history! The later photos of the boat show it as left hand drive also. While most boats may be right hand drive this was more or less custom built for Henry so if he wanted it LHD I'm sure they accommodated him on that. Thanks for sharing! __________________ Aaron in Tacoma (although still a Montana hillbilly at heart )

10-09-2014, 09:28 PM	#17
denis4x4 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Durango CO Posts: 1,309	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Early Chris-Craft boats used Model A steering boxes and many Detroit auto executives used Garwood, Hacker and Chris-Craft boats as commuters in the late twenties and early thirties. __________________ No restorable Model A's were harmed in the building of this truck!

10-10-2014, 05:41 AM	#20
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress The article clears up this steering wheel issue nicely.

10-10-2014, 09:57 AM	#21
callcoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hendersonville TN Posts: 180	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress When I was in the business of building and selling "Flat Bottom V-Drive" Ski, Drag and Marathon boats, we placed the steering wheel per prop rotation. The majority of these types of boats in the day were connected to the v-drive from the flywheel engine end. The v-drive reversed the rotation making it left hand at the prop shaft. As these boats caught a great deal of air at speed, controlling the prop torque was to be considered along with the engine torque. So we placed the steering wheel on the left, the fine old boats shown in the photos above really never came out of the water like a powerful v-drive. We also offset the rudder to the left to counteract the torque steer to the right as a result of the prop. This also made it much easier to pull the shaft if needed. Our blown fuel hydro drag boat that we set the record with was a counter rotating twin screw, prop torque was not a problem and it steered itself, all you had to do was hang on. Sorry if this is off topic a little but someone did open the door on wheel location. Thanks to the gentleman that posted the excellent photos! __________________ Steve - Santa Rosa Last edited by callcoy; 10-10-2014 at 10:12 AM.

09-11-2017, 07:12 AM	#24
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Digging up an old thread. Evangaline is for sale. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGIyiDgPVL8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vg62RpcYmYE There have been updates to the story since this thread. http://www.woodyboater.com/blog/2015...cker-part-2-1/ Twin updraught Zeniths and 450hp. http://www.woodyboater.com/blog/2015...bout-part-2-2/

09-11-2017, 07:28 AM	#25
Terry, NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks Co, Pa Posts: 3,740	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress It is sweet!(The boat I mean) Looks to be a mid thirties Chris Craft, but there were other makers. CC made a lot of those triple Cockpit, engine amidships, 27 foot and up, boats. They make me saiivate. The race boats, as someone said, look like Gar Woods with Liberty engines. Nice Picture! Terry I see the boat is a Hacker, not a Chis Craft, and it is a 1924! Very advanced for 1924! It looks like a mid to late 1930s "Barrel Back". This boat is a mind blower! What else for HF? Last edited by Terry, NJ; 09-11-2017 at 07:52 AM.

09-11-2017, 09:40 AM	#26
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Boats spend MOST of their life just sittin' in someones' DRIVEWAY, just DRYING out & CRACKING!---LOL Bill Carguy __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

09-11-2017, 10:54 AM	#27
Benson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,599	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress 8 Ton Sledge: Gar Wood’s 6400 HP Miss America X Boat Owned The World In ’32 and ’33. click to see article: https://bangshift.com/general-news/v...-and-33-video/ Engineers told Gar Wood that it was impossible to build a transmission box to hook the two 1600 HP Packard engines together ... So he built two of them, one for each pair of engines ... Gar Wood says in video that the HP is 6400 ... Article says 7200 and 7000 in title. I know that the later engines were super charged so that might be the difference. Legend has it that Gar Wood's boat designs were used to make the PT Boats of World War II fame. Last edited by Benson; 09-12-2017 at 08:24 AM.

09-12-2017, 06:11 AM	#28
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	Re: EVANGELINE Henry's Boat and Mistress I found it interesting that the boat, while owned by Mr Ford, was called "Evangeline" according to the boat mechanic interviewed in the early 50's. Don't try this at home folks. Naming your boat after your mistress may not be good for your health. Google "evangeline cote dahlinger" for more info on the name.