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01-01-2020, 08:37 AM | #1 |
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Lost key for 1931 Victoria
When I bought my Victoria (my first A) in August of 2019, the previous owner had lost the passenger side door key. (There is no outside key on the driver's door, but it locks if your turn the inside handle clockwise. I presume that only one key locking door was the original design of the car.)
Is there a snowball's chance in summer of finding a key that would fit the passenger side door? |
01-01-2020, 09:19 AM | #2 |
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Re: Lost key for 1931 Victoria
originally the ignition and door handle key used the same key. is the handle original. if it is remove it and take it to a lock smith some of them can make a new key.
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01-01-2020, 11:02 AM | #3 |
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Re: Lost key for 1931 Victoria
Take off the handle and send it to Dick Crabtree [email protected] .
He can take care of it. If you have an original Pop-out ignition switch or a Ford replacement ignition switch, he can key the ignition and door to the same key which is how your car came from the factory. Dick does outstanding work at a very fair price and he also has restored components for sale. Chris W. |
01-01-2020, 12:04 PM | #4 |
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Re: Lost key for 1931 Victoria
Post a picture of the doorhandle here to see if it is an original
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01-01-2020, 02:10 PM | #7 |
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Can you take a picture of the face of the handle so we can see the key hole
And while your at it take a picture of the popout also. |
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01-01-2020, 03:09 PM | #9 |
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This is the ignition key. By the way, I’d love to get a couple of spare ignition keys made. I haven’t had much luck having it duplicated locally. Does anyone recognize a key blank supplier for this key?
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01-01-2020, 03:47 PM | #10 |
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That ignition key is for the reproduction popouts made in Spain in years past.
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01-01-2020, 04:12 PM | #11 |
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Does the number "3" on the back side of the key indicate the key cut? In other words, could the appropriate key be ordered by specifying the "3" to the vendor? (The pop-out appears to have an upside-down "3" on it as well.) Do you have any idea who would still sell this?
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01-01-2020, 05:26 PM | #14 |
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I recently had a key made for an original door handle. If you look at the square shaft that goes into the door on an original handle, you will see a code stamped on it. It will be "A****". That is, A and four digits. I quoted that number to a vendor over there and he had his locksmith make a couple of keys for me. Because you guys are so far away, the locksmith also supplied a couple of blanks so that if his didn't work (they did), I could have a local guy cut a key for me.
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I took the plunge and removed the handle, but I don’t see an “A****” marking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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01-01-2020, 04:19 PM | #16 |
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Actualy your door handle looks to be an original and Dick Crabtree could probably make a key for you.
The popout is NOT a Spanisch one but the kind that was sold untill a couple years ago thru the Model A parts houses and was made in Japan I think. Bratton's used to sell the blanks for them, maybe good to contact them. |
01-01-2020, 07:32 PM | #17 |
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And, I can’t get the handle back into the car. Oops! (Big time)
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For 1931 handle You have to remove the cylinder to see the key number on it, but you need a key to remove it. :-((
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Does this appear to be an original door handle? If not, would I be better off just ordering a new handle (which comes with two keys) from Bratton’s? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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To do so clamp the shaft tightly in a vise. The nubs on the shaft must be flattened (don't file them off) with a blunt punch of hardened steel (I made mine from a VW valve stem that lost its head) so as to be able to remove parts including the stainless base with the two mounting holes. The stainless (or chromed) "barrel" will then slide off of your model handle, enabling you to see and be able to depress some of the 5 "wafers" in the cylinder. Those not directly accessible can be depressed with a narrow piece cut from stiff shim stock or tin. It will take some manipulation. With a screwdriver just slightly inside the cylinder key hole, and using a hand held pin vise with a small diameter drill bit reversed in it, press into the "mouse hole" in the cylinder face to clear a stop, and with the wafers positioned right the cylinder can be rotated counter clockwise and will release and can be slid out. The cylinder number will now be visible and a key can be made by code, or by hand fitting. Reassemble the parts in reverse order and offset the nubs with a punch sufficiently so that they again retain the parts that were removed. Don't be tempted to drill a hole and use a cotter pin instead, it considerably weakens the shaft and can cause it to wring off. Sometimes I get lucky, with an assortment of original keys about a third of the time I find one that fits and obviates the need for taking the handle apart. Last edited by Dave H; 01-04-2020 at 07:42 AM. |
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