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04-17-2022, 07:43 PM | #21 |
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Re: engine number . . . or serial number?
Okay; thanks for that, Coop.
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04-18-2022, 09:38 AM | #22 |
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Re: engine number . . . or serial number?
What a great picture of the Long Beach, CA assembly plant! I worked at the AFEES (Armed Forces Entrance and Examining Station) in Atlanta after my all-expenses paid trip to Vietnam in 1968. The building in Atlanta (it is still there) had been a Ford assembly factory before they moved to the old location down by the airport, I believe. Anyway, Ford must have built the factories from the same blueprint, the picture of the Model A engines stacked up looks exactly like the Atlanta building. There were large elevators between floors to obviously move parts between. We thought it was BS that it had been a Ford factory, but the Long Beach picture shows that they were the same. I was back in Atlanta in 2019 and the building is now some kind of office. It still has the old steel frame single pane “push out” windows that I remember. Thanks for the memory.
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04-18-2022, 11:28 AM | #23 |
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Re: engine number . . . or serial number?
does anyone have an idea why my 1933 phaeton has a eng-serial *18-177212*
on transmission and all three spots on frame. This is a CA car sold ( I have been told ) new in monterey Ca I also have been told that open cars were made late in the year (march ) Thanks to all |
04-18-2022, 02:06 PM | #24 | |
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Nick.....That is exactly the format in which the numbers SHOULD be stamped, EXCEPT that your specific numerical sequence (177212) appears to be a "1932 Ford V8" number. And when you look at 1932 Ford totals, you must remember that "Model 18" represents V8 engines ONLY, and NOT any 4-cylinder models which had their own PREFIX separate from the "18-" prefix. Ford's own publication titled "Research & Information Dept." lists two slightly different figures for V8-powered 1932 Ford (which have a "18-" prefix in their serial ("Motor") numbers. That document lists 191,084 in the original document, and 192,261 in a supplemental 1959 document. Nevertheless, 1932 Ford V8 production EXCEEDED the figure stamped on your 1933 chassis ( ☆18-177212☆ ) by ~15,000 numbers, which does not make any sense having a 1932 number on a 1933 chassis. It is not impossible that a Ford factory worker (mostly all HUMANS) somehow got the wrong number in his head as he stamped that "1"77212 on your chassis, rather than perhaps "2"77212. Weird hand-stamped serial numbers are not the norm, but they are not uncommon, either. Coop . |
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04-18-2022, 02:16 PM | #25 |
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Re: engine number . . . or serial number?
For the first question, about the only two possible explanations are that the vehicle assembly plant guy holding the punch and hammer misread the number on the transmission or the guy at the Dearborn Engine Plant needed new glasses as that's a '32 engine number. A far more remote possibility is that the engine/transmission got misplaced in a corner of the assembly plant or in a corner at the Rouge in Dearborn only to be discovered and sent off to be used in a '33 vehicle months later.
(Remote, most certainly, but not impossible as a brand new '49 Ford got bricked in behind a wall at the Rouge Plant and next saw the light of day in 1965. That's not a rumor as I saw the car and the hole in the wall while the car was still in Ford's hands. The story made into the Dearborn newspaper.) In those days, March was near or at the beginning of a model year in two notable instances (March was Job #1 for the '32s and January was Job #1 for the '33s) and open cars were produced in the first month in both those instances. |
04-24-2022, 04:08 PM | #26 | |
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The numbers on our '48 M47 Pickup all match on the 3 speed box, left front chassis rail and tag on firewall. But however the engine stamp (with a star at the end) does not match the others. Does an original 8BA engine/transmission "package" not have the same stamping on the engine and transmission? |
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04-24-2022, 06:01 PM | #27 |
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Re: engine number . . . or serial number?
As Coop has repeated, post-Model A it was only the transmission that was originally stamped with the "engine" number. An engine with stamped numbers is indicative of one having been rebuilt for use in a jurisdiction that required the engines themselves be stamped when replacing the original engine.
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04-24-2022, 06:06 PM | #28 |
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Re: engine number . . . or serial number?
As David mentioned above. That is exactly how I found the number status of my 1932 AAB. Same number on frame in front of driver's side cowl. And on top of intermediate casting in back of engine. And the engine has reman numbers stamped on the side.
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04-24-2022, 06:27 PM | #29 | |
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04-24-2022, 08:43 PM | #30 |
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The 8BA engine is Mercury built with a serial number stamped on the Top Right Rear part of the engine block where the intake manifold bolts on. This number is completely different to the other matching numbers so I cant tell if the engine is original to this pickup or not.
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