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Old 07-19-2019, 07:01 PM   #41
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its this or jeopardy.but really hes been told where to look and hasnt.take about 30 seconds to find what motot he has.look at the crank and see if the dots there.look over the oil filter and give us the letters which will tell a 272 or 292.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:20 PM   #42
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"its this or jeopardy.but really hes been told where to look and hasnt.take about 30 seconds to find what motot he has.look at the crank and see if the dots there.look over the oil filter and give us the letters which will tell a 272 or 292. "


Agree, and all this fuss so someone can sell it. I sure don't mind helping people on this forum, but geez, come on. If you're gonna sell it, start researching and do your homework.
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Old 07-20-2019, 05:09 AM   #43
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"its this or jeopardy.but really hes been told where to look and hasnt.take about 30 seconds to find what motot he has.look at the crank and see if the dots there.look over the oil filter and give us the letters which will tell a 272 or 292."


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Agree, and all this fuss so someone can sell it. I sure don't mind helping people on this forum, but geez, come on. If you're gonna sell it, start researching and do your homework.
Well ...

The problem here is that the OP doesn't understand what is being asked. It is not his fault as not all are enlightened to the level of knowledge of this board's members.

When you research how to go about identifying components, you get a hundred theories and opinions as to how.

It is very simple (to us). Post the cylinder block and cyl head (if visible) and an good time line idea can be given.
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Old 07-20-2019, 06:29 AM   #44
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Alright cranky old engine geezers. As a novice--I took the myriad of advice from all participants--scoured the websites you recommended and took a scrub brush and dish soap and attempted to scrub off 62 years worth of rust and oil looking for this mysterious numbers streetdreams insisted was there. No lettering other than the one I took the photo of. Many of the attached parts had serial numbers on them--pointing to a 1957 build date. So, since most of the supporting parts looked original--as my military training provided--I'm making a command decision-- I'm calling the engine a 1957 292. Yes--I am selling the engine. I bought it because I thought I was going to use it in my 1962 Ford F-100 truck. But we rebuilt the engine that was in it. I have a 64 F-100 as well. It has a 351 C engine and C6 trans that the previous owner in the 70's transferred from a Mustang. I also have a 390 engine that was rebuilt in the 80's that I am trying to figure out what to do with. I have several 71 Mustangs that I was considering putting it into. So I'd say I do have skin in this engine game-albeit very green skin. Thanks for the all in the info and help. Cheers Nick
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:21 AM   #46
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I agree. If you can't provide casting numbers for the block or heads, then this post is over.


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Old 07-20-2019, 09:42 AM   #47
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'Yes--I am selling the engine.'


Take it apart.You will like it.Lot's of interesting features.


It was the bridge between flatheads and all new OHV V8's in '58


Sort of a stop gap measure.


It was like Henry Ford did not trust his engineering staff to make an all new OHV V8 and said just put OHV heads on the flathead.


Somebody finally talked sense to him and they came out with all new V8's in '58


You will like the engine.


You won't get much for it anyhow.Shipping kills the deal.Unlikely there is fan of engine nearby to pick it up in person.
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Old 07-20-2019, 10:03 AM   #48
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"It was like Henry Ford did not trust his engineering staff to make an all new OHV V8 and said just put OHV heads on the flathead."




So the Y-Block wasn't an all new V8 after the flathead ??


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'Y-Block wasn't an all new V8 after the flathead?'


Up to the block decks it was the flathead mildly redesigned.


Heads were all new.



The 239 cu in displacement is a clue there.Same in flathead and OHV V8.


It's purpose was to have an 'OHV V8'.Ford liked they money saving angle of not having to do a lot of retooling.


Flathead and and OHV V8 have same bore spacing.



Everybody but Chevy had one.Although when Chevy did come out with one it was all new a year later than Ford.So they gained more eventually.


OHV V8(Y block) is a fine engine.Plan on getting another.


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Old 07-20-2019, 11:32 AM   #50
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It was like Henry Ford did not trust his engineering staff to make an all new OHV V8 and said just put OHV heads on the flathead.


Somebody finally talked sense to him and they came out with all new V8's in '58

'cept Henry Ford died in 1947
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'cept Henry Ford died in 1947'


Okay.The Old Guard that carried on after him would not unleash the engineering staff to design an all new OHV V8.They had to have known what GM was doing with the 265 Chevy engine.


Now.Ford put their Y block program in motion in '52 with the Lincoln so they carried on with that in the Ford and Mercury.


Also Ford Motor Company had a lot of responsibility.Whatever they came up with was sent all over the world.Ford was huge in the 50's.Can't compare it to today's Ford.So understandable that they played things safe.


If you are going to do battle with 283 or 327 get a 289 or 351.


Y block is for doing something interesting.Engine is sturdy just a little weighty.


It's thick wall casting.You can tell by rounded corners on block and heads.


Later thin wall casting has crisp sharp corners.
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Old 07-20-2019, 12:48 PM   #52
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This post is turning into fantasy land. A Y Block is a flathead with OHV heads? Really? Stopgap design? Incidentally, Ford was not concerned with US designed engines overseas. Ford of Germany, France and England at the time had their own car/engine programs. Hence, English Anglias with 4 cylinder engines for example. US design cars were slightly redesigned cosmetically for Canada, and badge names were played with, but they were still essentially American. You will see 352 FE's in Canadian Mercurys for example, vs the 390 in US cars.
Lastly, there is a part number cast into the side of the block. They may be 3/8 to 1/2 inch tall and thin script, but they are there. Never seen a block without them unless someone ground them off.
Don't see many crisp sharp corners on a 289/302/351W. Those are thin wall castings.
It also costed more to tool for an OHV engine vs the flathead. I could go on and on about the post war engineering challenges of higher horsepower, availability of high octane gas, heavier cars, 5 year planning cycles, future high speed super highways, and the programs, sometimes incorrect, to solve those challenges, but I don't want to appear cranky.
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' Y Block is a flathead with OHV heads'


Yes indeedy.Note the webbing at block deck over lifter gallery.Flathead.


If it was an all new design you would think the block to heads oil passage would line up.Wouldn't it?


'Stopgap design?'


They had the '58 FE and MEL engine program in progress.This bought them time until they came out.Why do you think Y block had 350 cubic inch practical limit?


Anyhow.Y block is a good engine.Knowing what it really is helps when it comes to working on them and hopping 'em up.


Parts are plentiful.It's rugged.
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I don't buy that for one second. The Y-Block V8 was closer to an FE than a flathead. The same engineering team designed both. Completely different block design with a Y design for more strength with the crankshaft center line well above the oil pan rail.


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'The Y-Block V8 was closer to an FE than a flathead. The same engineering team designed both.'


Okay.We will take another look at it.


Will say a good thing to do would be to get one of those aluminum timing covers.That cast iron timing cover is pretty hefty.


Then an aluminum intake.Shed a few more pounds.


That is for racing though.


Okay.Will rethink Y block is flathead copy with Ford factory overhead valve conversion kit.


Guess there are a lot of new features.
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Other than the same displacement, the Y was a whole new engine. How any one can say different is beyond me




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'Y-Block wasn't an all new V8 after the flathead?'


Up to the block decks it was the flathead mildly redesigned.


Heads were all new.



The 239 cu in displacement is a clue there.Same in flathead and OHV V8.


It's purpose was to have an 'OHV V8'.Ford liked they money saving angle of not having to do a lot of retooling.


Flathead and and OHV V8 have same bore spacing.



Everybody but Chevy had one.Although when Chevy did come out with one it was all new a year later than Ford.So they gained more eventually.


OHV V8(Y block) is a fine engine.Plan on getting another.


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'Y-Block wasn't an all new V8 after the flathead?'


Up to the block decks it was the flathead mildly redesigned.


Heads were all new.



The 239 cu in displacement is a clue there.Same in flathead and OHV V8.


It's purpose was to have an 'OHV V8'.Ford liked they money saving angle of not having to do a lot of retooling.


Flathead and and OHV V8 have same bore spacing.



Everybody but Chevy had one.Although when Chevy did come out with one it was all new a year later than Ford.So they gained more eventually.


OHV V8(Y block) is a fine engine.Plan on getting another.


Reality and I get along real well.

Nope! Flathead is no relation to the Y block. Bore spacing is not the same. Compare head gaskets.
Flathead is three main bearings. Y block is five. Y block is deep skirt design. Flathead is not. Flathead has front mount distributor. Y block is rear distributor. Y block has external oil pump. Flathead is internal oil pump. Y block has 10 head bolts per side. Flathead has 24, in an entirely different pattern.
Flathead has the crankshaft offset from the block centerline. Y block does not. So no flathead tooling nor casting patterns would work on the Y block. It had to be all new!
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Oh.Okay.Hmph!


Still going to put it in tube frame direct drive/no in/out box.


Still going to fabricate box intake manifold from thin gauge steel sheet.


Have to apply some new thinking to the designed in '54 engine.


We reserve the right to think!


Make that 'fiercely defend'!
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You're fighting a losing battle Sal...


I know KULTULZ. Sometimes you just have to say something even if it falls on deaf ears.


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