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Mountain Dew · 05-26-2023, 11:11 AM

What are these additional controls on the floorboard of this 1914 Runabout?
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gz · 05-26-2023, 12:11 PM

Warford or a similar transmission for the shifter. The buttons could be for a starter and/or exhaust whistle and/or cutout.

Mountain Dew · 05-26-2023, 02:23 PM

I did a search for Warford and didn't find too much relating to Model T. Is Warford an overdrive?

FRANK PKNY · 05-27-2023, 08:33 PM

Warford over drive, direct drive and under drive. Two speed rearend ? Photo of the underside behind the transmission and also the rear end. Then we can tell you what you have.

Mountain Dew · 06-14-2023, 01:05 PM

I finally got my Model T delivered. Yep, it has a Warford transmission and exhaust whistle. I bought it out of an estate auction in Texas. Judging from the paperwork I received, it hasn't been licensed for 25 years. More pictures and plenty of questions will be coming. I'm a Model A guy from way back and this is my first Model T.

Mountain Dew · 06-15-2023, 06:53 PM

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After messing with the shift lever I've come to the conclusion that it's a two speed. Which position is direct and which is overdrive? My Model T has been sitting for a long time and I have yet to take on the task of starting it.

rotorwrench · 06-16-2023, 10:52 AM

As far as I know, Warford made two types. The less desirable is an under drive/direct drive with a neutral in between so it's a two speed. The other is a 3-speed with under drive, direct drive, and overdrive.

The modern KC Warfords are 3-speeds. The shifter on the OP's car is very near the seat. I just wonder if it has room enough to shift?

redmodelt · 06-17-2023, 09:13 PM

Back might be direct. Get it running, drive it and find out!

Search "MTFCA; Warford" There has been a ton of information post about the Warford's on the Model T Ford forums over the years.
Had the 3 speed. I very seldom used overdrive, so the under/direct would be fine, and is more than likely the one I will install. Except for the maybe ratios, would be about the same as a Ruckstell at a lower cost.

Dan McEachern · 06-19-2023, 06:05 PM

If your T does not have accessory external brakes on the rear drums be very cautious driving your new car. Getting a Warford in neutral with out accessory brakes can become a life changing experience, as you loose all ability to stop the car .

Mountain Dew · 06-19-2023, 07:21 PM

Are these transmissions prone to jumping out of gear?

redmodelt · 06-20-2023, 09:06 AM

No not really, but if you miss a shift and get stuck in neutral, on a hill for example, the 8 inch brakes, which are just glorified parking brakes, aren't going to do jack poo stopping you from rolling.

Mountain Dew · 06-20-2023, 10:17 AM

Thanks, I'm on the coast with no hills to speak of but I guess it would still be good to have Rocky Mountain brakes.

On another note, I pulled the floorboards and played with the shift lever. It appears that it is a 3 speed transmission. I did not see any support for the Warford Transmission that the MTFCA forum mentioned. I may need to do something about that too.

These are all things that I will get around too sometime.

Royce P · 06-20-2023, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Dew

I did not see any support for the Warford Transmission

This is the company that makes the Warford today:

http://www.laynemachine.com/Products.html

stevests · 06-20-2023, 07:27 PM

If it is a 3 speed - forward right is low, straight back is direct and over left & back is O.D.

05-26-2023, 12:11 PM	#2
gz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,666	Re: Need help Identifying Warford or a similar transmission for the shifter. The buttons could be for a starter and/or exhaust whistle and/or cutout.

05-26-2023, 02:23 PM	#3
Mountain Dew Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Newport, NC Posts: 195	Re: Need help Identifying I did a search for Warford and didn't find too much relating to Model T. Is Warford an overdrive?

05-27-2023, 08:33 PM	#4
FRANK PKNY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: POUGHKEEPSIE NY 12601 Posts: 1,016	Re: Need help Identifying Warford over drive, direct drive and under drive. Two speed rearend ? Photo of the underside behind the transmission and also the rear end. Then we can tell you what you have. __________________ [email protected]

06-15-2023, 06:53 PM	#6
Mountain Dew Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Newport, NC Posts: 195	Re: Need help Identifying Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) After messing with the shift lever I've come to the conclusion that it's a two speed. Which position is direct and which is overdrive? My Model T has been sitting for a long time and I have yet to take on the task of starting it.

06-16-2023, 10:52 AM	#7
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Need help Identifying As far as I know, Warford made two types. The less desirable is an under drive/direct drive with a neutral in between so it's a two speed. The other is a 3-speed with under drive, direct drive, and overdrive. The modern KC Warfords are 3-speeds. The shifter on the OP's car is very near the seat. I just wonder if it has room enough to shift?

06-17-2023, 09:13 PM	#8
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,341	Re: Need help Identifying Back might be direct. Get it running, drive it and find out! Search "MTFCA; Warford" There has been a ton of information post about the Warford's on the Model T Ford forums over the years. Had the 3 speed. I very seldom used overdrive, so the under/direct would be fine, and is more than likely the one I will install. Except for the maybe ratios, would be about the same as a Ruckstell at a lower cost. __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!

06-19-2023, 06:05 PM	#9
Dan McEachern Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 193	Re: Need help Identifying If your T does not have accessory external brakes on the rear drums be very cautious driving your new car. Getting a Warford in neutral with out accessory brakes can become a life changing experience, as you loose all ability to stop the car .

06-19-2023, 07:21 PM	#10
Mountain Dew Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Newport, NC Posts: 195	Re: Need help Identifying Are these transmissions prone to jumping out of gear?

06-20-2023, 09:06 AM	#11
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,341	Re: Need help Identifying No not really, but if you miss a shift and get stuck in neutral, on a hill for example, the 8 inch brakes, which are just glorified parking brakes, aren't going to do jack poo stopping you from rolling. __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!

06-20-2023, 10:17 AM	#12
Mountain Dew Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Newport, NC Posts: 195	Re: Need help Identifying Thanks, I'm on the coast with no hills to speak of but I guess it would still be good to have Rocky Mountain brakes. On another note, I pulled the floorboards and played with the shift lever. It appears that it is a 3 speed transmission. I did not see any support for the Warford Transmission that the MTFCA forum mentioned. I may need to do something about that too. These are all things that I will get around too sometime.

06-20-2023, 07:27 PM	#14
stevests Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Longbranch, Washington Posts: 513	Re: Need help Identifying If it is a 3 speed - forward right is low, straight back is direct and over left & back is O.D.