Urgent RMV issue for Massachusetts Car Guys

[HD]

The Massachusetts RMV has come up with a plan to change the numbering system on certain plate type sets due to many people getting tickets and easy pass bills for cars that belong to someone else, they want to make it so no two people have the same #, they said they are going to send letters to some holders of some type sets to revoke their plates and give them ones with a different #, a lot of us have YOM and Antique plates with #s we do not want to give up, I urge everyone to call your State Rep or the Governors Office 617-725-4005 ad state you do not want the RMV to make changes to the license plate numbering system

[JSeery]

Interesting, didn't know it was possible to have more than one plate with identical numbers. Do any other states allow that?

[51woodie]

In Ontario Canada, you have to submit the physical plates, along with a request form and registration fee, to the Ministry of Transport. The MOT will return the plates with a licensing authorization, if the plates are in good condition and the numbers are not currently in use. The MOT will not issue another set of plates once you have that number.

[VeryTangled]

Hmmm. This probably does not help, but...

Our regions certainly love to ticket vehicles by camera, red-light, speed, and construction zone.

Our YOM plate is 3 digits a space and 3 more. All numbers. Our modern passenger car plates have seven digits with two letters.

Also my state registers TWO (pairs of) plates. A modern permanent "Historic" one with one letter and five digits, that I have to carry in the car (with its own registration card), and the YOM ones (with their own reg card).

Apparently our county cops don't worry too much about YOM plates. I got a speeding ticket in my '36 Phaeton about three years ago (42 in a 30), and he wrote the YOM number on the ticket.

[tubman]

I'm in Minnesota and it happened to me. I had a nice set of YOM plates on my '51 Ford club coupe. About 20 years ago, I got a letter from the DMV saying that the number on my plate was re-issued and that I would have to replace them with regular "Special Interest Auto" plates that they had included free of charge.

I didn't like it, but completely understood the problem and did not fight it. They are doing us a service by allowing the use of YOM plates when it doesn't mess up the normal order of things. I don't think you'll get to first base protesting this. They are just doing their jobs.

[Fordors]

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Well said Tubman. Massachusetts, just like Illinois has a variety of plates that are used as revenue generators through the extra cost for issuing and renewal. MA uses four character plates for sports teams for example and let’s say my street address was 1234. I might be a Celtics fan and receive that plate, while in the past it may have been possible for someone else to get 1234 on the Red Sox commemorative plate. That will no longer be the case, 1234 would only be available to the individual that requested it initially, any other duplicates would be revoked. Naturally the same would apply for vanity, as well as other plates the MA RMV has available.
I doubt that duplicates were issued in any other situation, at least that is how I see this from my experience with Illinois plates.

[JSeery]

The number pattern on YOM plates are nothing like the number pattern on current plates in Kansas. Guess that is where the difference occurs. I was not aware that in some states it is possible for a current number to match a YOM number. Very interesting.

[19Fordy]

Why not have it so that the same numerical number or vanity plate number could not be issued to another subsequent applicant plate holder no matter what "style" the plate is? I got my 19FORDY plate number in 1988 and it can't be issued to anyone else in FL unless I fail to register my car. Then anyone else can apply. Back in 1988 I originally applied for the tag saying only 1940 but it was already in use. Had to pick something else.

[TJ]

In California you take your YOM plates to DMV to see if they are a "clear plate"( not currently matching a # already in use). If clear you get to use them and DMV will not issue another plate with that #. The plates belong to the individual and you can keep them when you sell the car, release them to the new owner of the car, or resell them to someone else. The problem in California is trying to find someone in the local DMV that actually knows how to deal with YOM plates. You need to go to DMV prepared with the appropriate code sections of the vehicle code and show them the plates can be used.

[tubman]

"Vanity plates" (like "19Fordy" mentioned) are quite different than YOM plates. You guys that live in states that will alter the sequential numbering of their standard license plates to accommodate a small number of hobbyists should thank your lucky stars. I don't think the convicts in Minnesota prisons are up to such a complicated task.

[5851a]

Used to have vanity plates on a few and only 1 person could have that combo, $25 for the first time and a extra $5 every year. Same thing for wife's patriotic plate "The U S Flag", then the state decided to change numbering and force you to get new plates, "2 times now". You get to do the 25/5 all over again. I said the hell with it! Can anyone tell me why I should have to pay to have the American flag on my license plate in the U S A? I wouldn't mind if would tell me where the extra money went, like to Veterans or? ! Sorry for going off topic on a rant.

[19Fordy]

5851a: it's all about making money. I imagine it all goes to the State. Crazy as it sounds, last year a wrote a letter to the prison in FL that makes the plates thanking them for making my vanity plate. Hey, it can't hurt anything.to say THANKS.

[Flathead Fever]

Originally Posted by 5851a

Used to have vanity plates on a few and only 1 person could have that combo, $25 for the first time and a extra $5 every year. Same thing for wife's patriotic plate "The U S Flag", then the state decided to change numbering and force you to get new plates, "2 times now". You get to do the 25/5 all over again. I said the hell with it! Can anyone tell me why I should have to pay to have the American flag on my license plate in the U S A? I wouldn't mind if would tell me where the extra money went, like to Veterans or? ! Sorry for going off topic on a rant.

Only $5.00 dollars a year a keep your personalized plates in Iowa, that's a bargain!

Welcome to CA. Most special plates cost $50 extra initially and $40 to renew each year. There is an additional $98 charge to have a plate personalized with letters and numbers spelling out a word or message; those plates cost an additional $78 to renew. That would be in addition to your registration fee. I just bought a new vehicle this week. The registration fee will be $530.00 a year.

[Kerk]

New York can not tell the difference between A WHITE passnger plate and A Black commercial plate. H. P. does not matter !! JM@CW.

[mrtexas]

A vanity plate in Texas is $500 for 5 years or $200 a year. No thanks I pay way too much taxes already, $25,000 property tax and sales tax most of which I can't deduct on Federal anymore. I have this unofficial one 2THPIX on my woodie but also have a YOM on the same car. https://flic.kr/p/2fi2Vie

[5851a]

I guess it's relative to location and time, at the time I had vanity plates the regular plates were 17 to 25 before the additional fees. But I was only making $6 an hour. Still keep the flag plates and proud of it. Compared to some of you I do have it lucky here. I don't even know if Iowa allows yom plates.

[50fordcoupeman]

You need to be an attorney in Oregon to figure out all the plate options. I read once there are about 55 options here. Cost is somewhere from $125 to $600 for 2 years or thereabouts.

[paul2748]

NJ does not allow a YOM plate as a regular plate. They do have "Historic" plates, which you can get a regular number or vanity. Vanity's are about 50 (or maybe more now) initially, but there is no yearly registration fee for either the vanity or regular historic plates.


And if you have a Historic plate, you only have to run one (on the rear) although they issue two. You legally can put a YOM plate on the front with a Historic plate on the rear, but it is not a an official plate

[cas3]

the number problem in minnesota is because the old plate have the same 6 digit system as current trailer plates. so, in tubmans case i assume they didnt want to skip that number when issuing a new plate for some ones trailer, so they took his number back! strange, i've never heard of that before, but thats the reason they check your yom number before it gets an ok

[ford38v8]

Food for thought: Everyone who's had their plate numbers revoked can thank the nature of Bureaucracy for that. Bureaucracies, as we all know, are proud of their ability to remain unproductive and self sustaining. Just think of all the government jobs that would be lost if a computer programmer accidentally modernized the system to accommodate those YOM plates in current use?

[tubman]

I think it has more to do with the machines that make make the license plates rather than some "computer programmer". They are set up to make them in a sequence, and having to know whether the sequence has been interrupted would be quite complicated. Talk about "make work", this would be a good example.

[jim1932]

the argument would be to get them to agree that the year stamped on the plate is part of the number. therefore a 1942 plate and a 1932 plate with same numbers are not really the same number. I am sure that the ezpass cameras on the Mass Pike are driving this. They can't read the year.

[Frank Miller]

Ok I do not think this will affect YOM plates. This is for people who need to spend extra money to have a Red Sox insignia or whale or teacher on their plate. The plates look identical except for that picture. Personalizing license plates is ok but I would never do it as it makes my car easy to spot if it should end up at a titty bar somehow. I must cover my bases. My father's neighbor has KRW1. I know immediately when I see him. Makes me think of the tools.
https://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...493533591.html

[Keith True]

How it is done in one state has nothing to do how it is done in another state.Here in N.H. we used to be issued new plates every year,alternating green and white from year to year.The numbers were re-issued over and over again,as the number expired when the plate did.It is possible to have a number on a 1930 plate and the same number on a 1935 plate.When we get our YOM plates certified for use now,they say they are supposed to check them to see if the number is in use,but I never saw it actually done.It is free,no money is invloved,so they really don't much care.As a girl at the DMV put it once,if your plate number is seen at a drive by shooting,or a bank robbery,or high speed chase,it's only going to come back to a couple of possibles,and they can probably narrow it down from there.

[big job]

Originally Posted by Frank Miller

Ok I do not think this will affect YOM plates. This is for people who need to spend extra money to have a Red Sox insignia or whale or teacher on their plate. The plates look identical except for that picture. Personalizing license plates is ok but I would never do it as it makes my car easy to spot if it should end up at a titty bar somehow. I must cover my bases. My father's neighbor has KRW1. I know immediately when I see him. Makes me think of the tools.
https://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...493533591.html

The Mass RMV is notorious not knowing what their left hand is doing with
their right hand period. Example, my father was plagued with Boston parking
tickets even up to $500. My father would not go to Boston if paid a million
dollars to do so. The problem is, which is not a problem of the numbers
of a plate; its the prefix of the number which some meter maid failed
to write in the citation. So his number on his Lincoln is Mass PC 352, so lets
break down his 352: Taxi 352, commercial 352, livery 352, Veteran 352, even a hearse 352, fire, 352, antique 352, trailer 352, dealer, repair, farm
contractors, and municipal all with 352. So If you get a citation in this tolet,
before YOU sign the ticket, Make sure your number has the prefix like pass
car 'PC" antique, year of man. commercial what ever, if not you may be
fined for a tractor trailer. Example after my father passed me only child
got property cars trucks whatever. So I go to gas station in his Lincoln and
holy smokes, car in front a Olds has 352 on it. I have 352 also, but the Olds
says veteran in little print on the bottom and a lot of times, this veteran is
covered up by a chrome plate frame.. Bottom line is my PC 352 is a genuine
plate from my grandfather from the turn of the century. I think the first
truck a IH International around oh, one of the first ones. 1903 maybe? So all
others are a vanity plate but now these idiots charge me 90bucks saying
352 is a vanity plate BS it should be grandfathered 4 generations when I drop
my son gets it......

[Kube]

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Ya know what I think?
There are far larger issues in this world than a person's vanity (plate).
You're driving a vehicle that is a toy - certainly not a necessity. That being the case, obviously you have a few more dollars in your pockets than required for life's necessity's.
That kind of reminds me of the folks driving $75,000 Escalade's and complaining about the low MPG.
If this is all you folks have to complain about you should consider yourself blessed. It's obvious you not only have no serious issues but more free time than I could imagine.

[Frank Miller]

Originally Posted by Kube

Ya know what I think?
There are far larger issues in this world than a person's vanity (plate).
You're driving a vehicle that is a toy - certainly not a necessity. That being the case, obviously you have a few more dollars in your pockets than required for life's necessity's.
That kind of reminds me of the folks driving $75,000 Escalade's and complaining about the low MPG.
If this is all you folks have to complain about you should consider yourself blessed. It's obvious you not only have no serious issues but more free time than I could imagine.

It is not so much vanity but in Massachusetts we can display year of manufacture plates on our cars. Some people have paid a lot of money to acquire these plates. I do not think they will be affected but as someone said, do not underestimate the stupidity of the registry.

What has happened is people love to display their status so the registry kept coming up with more to con this heavily democrat state out of more money. Maybe I'm part of the problem as my YOM registration costs the same or less as two years on a regular vehicle.

[fottyjs]

I am from Mass and have a 40 repair plate on my 40 coupe and have had it for 25 years...I might be safe.....

[itslow]

Originally Posted by 5851a

...Same thing for wife's patriotic plate "The U S Flag", then the state decided to change numbering and force you to get new plates, "2 times now". You get to do the 25/5 all over again...

Did you check with your county treasurer about this?


I've had non-standard plates on vehicles in Iowa for as long as I've owned one. Not once have I been charged the initial fee again when the state has updated its numbering or design schemes.

Originally Posted by 5851a

... I don't even know if Iowa allows yom plates.

Iowa allows YOM plates. The car needs to be registered as an "antique" and there are restrictions on usage.



https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/2019/321.115.pdf

[J Franklin]

Originally Posted by 50fordcoupeman

You need to be an attorney in Oregon to figure out all the plate options. I read once there are about 55 options here. Cost is somewhere from $125 to $600 for 2 years or thereabouts.

YOM plates in Oregon must not match any already in use and are a one time fee not bi-yearly.