'32 4-Banger in this Forum or Model A section??

[Robert Dip]

I have a few posts in the Early V8 section....with V8's in a '32, '35 & '39. I now also have a '32 4-Banger with a Riley Racing OV 4 port set-up. Are queries discussed here or do I go to the Model A section?? Robert

[BILL WZOREK]

Boy that is a sharp looker.
I can't tell are you running just the card in the center?

[KiWinUS]

WOW , thats a real beauty mate !!! You stay right here with that fine piece !!!
Thanks for sharing !!!
Cheers
Tony

Originally Posted by Robert Dip

I have a few posts in the Early V8 section....with V8's in a '32, '35 & '39. I now also have a '32 4-Banger with a Riley Racing OV 4 port set-up. Are queries discussed here or do I go to the Model A section?? Robert

[dwaynec]

Glad to have you here. Sharp looking car.

[Brendan]

the guys in the A forum will freak out! if you talk about juice brakes and T 5 trans they get mad that is a bad ass banger motor by the way I bet your car goes like hell!

[DavidG]

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I'd recommend here as your first choice, but try both to see who responds best to your specific questions.

[rotorwrench]

Model A cars are just that. Perhaps the moniker for this section of the forum should have just been plain Early Fords but the V8 defined the big change from the Model A era. The early Ford era includes Model B plus the little 9N, G & H series 4 & 6 cylinders as well as the 60HP and larger V8s. 1948 has been the sometimes recognized time of change from the early Ford era and the later post war Ford era but the flathead V8 was produced well into the 1950s so the acceptable change over is the change to the overhead valve era of the mid to late 50s, at least when relating to FoMoCo products.

All Ford products from 1932 thru 1953 (1954 in Canada) should be welcome in the Early Ford V8 section. Model B engines are discussed in the Model A section from time to time since they were a good upgrade for the Model A cars but not so much for the purist as the daily or long distance driver.

[Robert Dip]

Thanks guys...I needed that confirmation.
Bill W.....running full three 97's on progressive linkage. The build sheet on this engine is 4 pages long...crower rods, ross pistons, V8 oil pump, and so, so much more. Engine is hooked up to a V8 trans, torque tube, B-W overdrive, 3.78 rear end with modified 28 spline axles. The front end is all original Ford stuff...ok...original '39 L-Z front brakes on '32 spindles....Mor drop axle, K-H wire wheels, etc. Goal is to keep everything true to the early 50's era. And yes, at a dyno test, 160 HP produced, and it does haul out in good style. Robert

[Mike in AZ]

beautiful....more pics???....car and engine??.....Mike

[V8COOPMAN]

Dip...You sure do build some REALLY cool stuff...keep it coming! DD

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by Robert Dip

I have a few posts in the Early V8 section....with V8's in a '32, '35 & '39. I now also have a '32 4-Banger with a Riley Racing OV 4 port set-up. Are queries discussed here or do I go to the Model A section?? Robert

Hey Robert,
Yeah, a lot going on there...both $$$$$ wise and style ! Only thing I'd think to change...chrome wires ?

Congrats, I've wanted to put my 'stuff' , about same internals B, into a 5 window...but they are tooo expensive these days. Good job !
BTW...the A side guys will love gawking at this...for sure ! So, the comments on that are not warranted (these days). AND, if truth be known, IMO...there were more fours (Bs) sold first year than V8. So where are they? You guys embarrassed to show ..or are they (B engines) all over in the A guys cars and V8 in the early four cars
Personally, I've got the Bees in my As

[john in illinois]

great car. The chrome wires are sort of growing on me,seems to go with the paint.

John

[DavidG]

hardtimes,

With respect, the final '32 model worldwide figures were: passenger car V-8s = 214,159 and passenger car fours = 108,803; commercial vehicle and truck V-8s = 7,576 and fours = 107,746 for grand totals of 221,735 V-8s and 216,549 fours.

In terms of U.S. production, the gap was much larger with 192,192 V-8 passenger cars compared to 77,127 Model B passenger cars and 1,366 V-8 commercial vehicles and trucks versus 58,361 fours for grand totals of 193,528 V-8s and 135,488 fours.

All of the above figures are from Ford's actual production records for the period (now kept at the Benson Ford Research Center in Dearborn).

[Mafman]

Absolutely beautiful!

[Robert Dip]

Chrome wires??? Nope...no such thing....but interesting that they do strike a note. They are painted...I call it 'Satin Nickel'.....a combination of Jaguar color and matte clearcoat. I wanted the metal look, and it seems to be working....from your comments. The front end is also done in this finish. Extra photo of the 3 Strombergs 97's with the progressive linkage.

PS...do not know how to enlarge photos...DD did it above...Thks.

[V8COOPMAN]

Try these! DD

[Robert Dip]

DD....I knew you would do that!!

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Robert Dip

DD....I knew you would do that!!

Just for that...one more! DD

[jim1932]

What size are the wheels and tires?

[machine girl]

more info on the alum head! we are looking into doing a cnc mach alum head.

[Robert Dip]

DD....ok...figured that to.....tomorrow....I'm not at my regular computer. Your'e my 'wingman'..Delta-Zulu.... out.
Jim32...front - K-H 16 x 4" Firestone 525-16....rear K-H 16 x 4 1/2" Firestone 700-16
Machine girl...don't know who done the head...engine was put together in 2000 by Max H&H Flatheads. Have not gotten in touch with them yet.

[47Merc]

A question for the experts. Not a criticism by the way because I love the look of the engine and whole car, but how does the engine cope with the 3 x 2 carbs at full throttle?

[BILL WZOREK]

47Merc

I was thinking that also / & Progresive linkage To Boot.
I don't know why I would want to but I should be able to put 6X2's with progresive linkage on my 8ba. & get away with it ~~~

While We are mentioning Progresive linkage can any one please explain why there is such negitive attitude twords using it.

( PLEASE USE SMALL WORDS MY BRAIN IS STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY I ATE SO MUCH ROAD KILL YESTERDAY )

[Robert Dip]

Engine runs great at full throttle on the 3 carbs. I have a lot to learn on these 4-Bangers, as I did not build the engine, nor did I ever have one, much less than work on one. I bought Jim Brierley’s book…4 Banger and Me….and this is a real eye opener on these ‘put aside’ engines. Story goes that the Flathead V8 only started winning meets after the war, and that the 4 Bangers dominated the scene prior to that. If you read the section on this engine in the 1932 Ford Book, it states the engine at 200.5 cu. in. and has more torque that the ’32 V8. Most of the speed equipment was developed for the ‘T’ and the ‘A’, and when the improved ‘B’ and ‘C’ 4 Banger came into being, well, all hell broke loose on modifying this motor. In reading Jim’s book, it really is a shock & eye opener on the performance these engines have. ( 200 mph + at the Salt Flats ) This engine is also bored out .080, the Riley Racing overhead set-up has 2 intake valves / cylinder, the 4 port design allows better air intake, removing the Siamese sharing of two cylinders, the exhaust valve is 1.750, and these engines can rev 5,000 rpm +. Yes, it can put a V8 to shame, as it did in the early days. Jim’s book also mentions that these engines need air…hence, 3 carbs are not a problem. More pics for DD to blow up.

[fourtydlx]

I love it, Just BITTCHEN"

[V8COOPMAN]

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This little car ain't nothin' but SLICK, top & bottom! DD

[todd3131]

Originally Posted by Brendan

the guys in the A forum will freak out! if you talk about juice brakes and T 5 trans they get mad that is a bad ass banger motor by the way I bet your car goes like hell!

This is an understatement. Gotta like the b motor what do you think the horsepower is now?
Todd 3131

[hardtimes]

Well the V8 flatheads came in diff sizes/ cu in. If you take FOUR cylinder B...bore it to 4" and stroke it a 'little'...voila...239 cu in. Add in some other goodies, with a properly prepared crank and some flywheel alteration, and it all adds up to some great torque and a 'few' extra rpms ! Does 239 sound familiar to V8 flathead guys ? Yup, that's what is coming together soon !
Breathing is a LOT more than adding carbs. Actually the carbs/configuration/# is figured out to compliment the breathing aspect..cu in/ comp ratio/ head configuration/ exhaust type, cam/ valves...etc

[Tom Walker]

Theres alot of OHV equipment for the four cylinder engine. Apart from the Ardun heads there is very little OHV stuff for the V8, and how many of those do you regularly see running? Breathing is the real answer to power, so the 4 Bangers have a real advantage here.
We have in the region of 180 hp on a standard bore A block with fully machined steel crank, drilled for full pressure oil to the big ends, Dan Price hi volume pump, special billet steel Newman cam, Miller OHV head, light flywheel, Austin Healey hi ratio rockers. Currently runs Ross forged pistons with 10mm pop-up to get 9.8:1 compression ratio. 2 side draft 1 3/4" SU carbs for the in, and tuned 4 branch manifold for the out. Comes with stump pulling torque!

[Robert Dip]

The more I discuss about a 4-Banger, the more I realize the interest of so many. Are these engines coming 'out of the woodwork', as I never even thought of them before, being so busy with the V8's. It's a known fact that OHV can take a lot more compression ratios, hence more power. Max, at H&H built this motor and it dynoed at 160 HP. I would imagine that some sort of parts combination on tuning was involved to obtain a fair result. With better breathing, a 286* cam at .310 lift, 4 ports and 3 carbs...it runs pretty hot ( power wise ) Tom W...180 HP.....interesting....& 'Good Show, ole Boy'....now I have to educate myself with the 4-Banger Guys.

[hardtimes]

Hey Tom,
FNG (as they say over hamb) Tod Buttermore is involved with something ,IMO, revolutionary big changes for you/me , regarding new blocks to support our sickness !
Check out hamb POLL and threads related...you will find interesting , I'm sure ! Tod instills confidence in his endeavors to build new Model A and B blocks ...with modern tech and metallurgy ! If he can produce what he states that he can...well it's exciting ! Talk about breathing...that is/has been a SHORT coming of these two blocks from ford. If Tod can 'straighten' that out..alone ..would solve lots of problems. However , Tod is going to make US full oil pressure blocks with FIVE MAINS and FIVE CAM BEARINGS...in B FORM . I have already built my 5x5 in my head and you can imagine the HP. Concurrently, there are others creating more OHV head versions. One in development (for racing mostly) will increase an old guys blood pressure,eh

[jerseyboy]

Robert,

Your coupe looks like a candidate for the ROG! That is if you like racing on the beach.

Keep 4-banging!

[Robert Dip]

Looks like fun....do you have any info/dates. Maybe I should find a set of bald tires...for the sand. Do we get a Free Car Wash afterwards?

[alchemy]

That coupe is OUTSTANDING! Love it!

[jerseyboy]

Originally Posted by Robert Dip

Looks like fun....do you have any info/dates. Maybe I should find a set of bald tires...for the sand. Do we get a Free Car Wash afterwards?

Here are two links on the HAMB:

This years, http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=875939

Last years, http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=815578

I have been to the first two, and it is an excellent time!

Keep 4-banging!

[jackson32]

Nice car I think it goes here

[Duffy1]

Great looking car . Three main bearings can handle all of this ?

[FlatheadTed]

Pretty good job !

[jim1932]

Not a fan of the red and black under side.... but it beats the crap out of mine so you can do what you want .

[Robert Dip]

Jim 1932.....you don't like red.....I'm with you....stuff done in the past....all that's red will soon be the Satin Nickel finish like I did on the front end...Is that OK with ya?...Robert

[Ol' Ron]

Excellent car and engine. Then there's always the Hall DOC.

[hotrodA]

What a perfect car!! Thanks for posting it.